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To: WRhine
If you must insult me indirectly in response to Barnacle, why not at least ping me directly?

If you are NOT a pro-illegal immigration apologist or a supporter of open borders idiocy....then put your critical thinking where your post is...

All I was asking to those who had insisted that Bush was doing this all wrong, (which you have apparently chimed in with,) is to merely support your criticism with a plan of action. WHAT IN THE HELL WOULD YOU DO?!?

There are 6 THOUSAND miles of borders between Mexico and Canada alone. I merely ask a question which you nor I have the answer to. Can our military line up and SEAL OFF our borders in any meaningful way to keep out evil-doers? One entire Division could place one man, what, every half mile or so for a single watch shift? I ask you to consider that our military planners have considered this, and just maybe: maybe it's not possible right now....which does not border on treason as Barnacle suggested. It's not comforting to know that we're not all-powerful, but we're not. Even if you could check a tiny percentage of the container traffic through Houston, you don't get ANY return from those that have already infiltrated our society, or those that will turn against us. I like the strategy of killing the foreign head and financiers of the terrorists, such as in Afghanistan, Iraq and NoKo.

I don't say we should do "nothing" to bolster border security...we should make the INS step up and do their job...and the FBI should chase down bad guys left and right and take them to court. But the Military, in my opinion, should stay out there killing bad guys out in the rest of the world--NOT IN MY BACKYARD--as the saying goes!!!

So I ask you to back off the "logical fallacy" adamancy with folks like me (non-Bushbots) until you realize that it's actually possible for you to be fallible as well.

Happy 2003.

79 posted on 12/31/2002 7:15:24 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
All I was asking to those who had insisted that Bush was doing this all wrong, (which you have apparently chimed in with,) is to merely support your criticism with a plan of action. WHAT IN THE HELL WOULD YOU DO?!?

There are 6 THOUSAND miles of borders between Mexico and Canada alone....

Again, you dodge the argument that Barnacle and I raised (which is that the MORE troops and BP personnel that are manned on our borders, the MORE secure our borders become) by suggesting that border protection is impossible because it can't be done “100% perfectly” (false dilemma)--i.e. there will always be those few that manage to slip through.

Like I said (sorry I didn't ping you), it's a ridiculous argument that is purposely constructed to avoid discussion of common sense measures that would MOST CERTAINLY enhance and improve our security from terrorism and border hoppers.

What would I do?

If it were left up to me, I'd bring back thousands of our troops that are on baby sitting missions in countries like Japan, Germany, Haiti, Bosnia and redeploy them on our borders (north and south) until they could be replaced permanently with BP personnel. I'd halt ALL immigration from terrorists harboring nations. I'd appoint a no nonsense INS commissioner that is 100% committed to enforcing the immigration laws of the land, not a tired Open Borders Beltway Hack like Ziglar who is only interested in how many services the INS can extend to immigrants.

That's just for starters. There plenty of other actions we could take, like installing hi-tech monitoring equipment and surveillance techniques across those 6 thousand miles which would make the job of apprehending border jumpers that much more effective.

None of these actions are physically impossible. All it requires is some political will, which is sadly lacking in Bush and Congress for that matter.

83 posted on 01/01/2003 2:46:58 PM PST by WRhine
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