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To: 4Freedom
You persist in this false premise that using our National Guard or any of our military is a failure, if they're not 100% successful.

Nope. I said there's no evidence that sending additional troops to the border will result in any net increase in security. What I'm typing is not what you're reading, I guess.

You assume it will help, and it may, but you don't consider that there might be better ways to improve border security, or general security with limited resources.

I more suspect that the new terrorist panic is being co-opted by folks with illegal immigrants as a long time pet-peeve in any case. If aliens made contact tomorrow, these same people would demand troops to the border to stem it.

100 posted on 01/01/2003 8:47:32 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine; Barnacle; WRhine
"I said that there's no evidence that sending additional troops to the border will result in any net increase in security."

"...additional troops..."???

Are you implying that there are troops on the borders, now?

"...net increase in security..."?

Name one instance in history where troops on the borders or a wall didn't provide a "net increase in security." No, that measure alone won't provide a 100% level of security, but certainly a "net increase".

In another one of your ludicrous assertions you claim that the only reason that South Korea's northern border is securred are the 50,000 or so American troops and 550,000 South Korean troops that are on the border.

It takes only a fraction of those troops to actually secure that border. The other 95% of those troops are there because the border guards alone would be a mere speed-bump to the North Korean army, if they attacked.

North Korea has 70,000 special forces, 'shock troops' alone plus 100's of thousands of regular army poised at the border.

We don't face anything like that on our northern or southern borders. You're reading and repeating some tired, well-worn and extremely well-refuted and discredited Libertarian rhetoric.

Approximately 5,000 illegal aliens comprised of pregnant women, male and female job or welfare seekers, drug smugglers, terrorists, members of organized crime families, gang-bangers, the piss-ant Mexican military and agents of other foreign governments cross our borders everyday away from the official checkpoints.

The Bush administration is insane to let this continue.

"...limited resources..."?

What limited resources? These illegal aliens will each cost the U.S. Taxpayers $55,000 each over their lifetimes according to the CIS. The Libertarian CATO Institute puts that number around $89,000 each, I believe.

Illegal immigration costs us an estimated $27 billion to $72 billion each year depending on who you ask and what costs they include in the estimates.

Enforce all the laws presently on the books and make these illegal immigrants deport themselves.

Rush the challenge to the Liberal, erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment that's in the courts, now to the Supreme Court. Send all of these illegal aliens and their illegal 'anchor babies' home where they belong.

Do these things and there'll be more than enough money for border security even if we never touch a dime of the money that's been squandered on the other programs that WRhine listed.

We'll have enough money left over to put 1,770 checkpoints on Afghanistan's damn borders.

Illegal immigration isn't a mere "pet peeve". It's responsible for 8 years of Clinton, a large portion of the National, State and Local Debt and it's destroying our nation.

105 posted on 01/02/2003 4:01:33 AM PST by 4Freedom
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