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To: VeritatisSplendor
In theory, you can prove what the watermark is without revealing any information about how it is encoded.

In practice, that doesn't help you much, because proving the existence of a watermark without revealing the methodology behind the insertion (say, for example, when you go into court to sue someone for piracy) is different problem than preventing an attacker from detecting the watermark on his own and manipulating it. This paper (and this paper and this paper, and this paper, and lots more, too) is an example of the level of sophistication detecting digital watermarks has reached. The only real long-term solution is tighter control of the formats that media are distributed in - watermarking is just a new battlefield for another endless arms race between publishers and pirates...

437 posted on 01/08/2003 8:28:11 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
The theory is definitely on my side here. All the papers you cite describe attacks that would not work against the recommended steganographic method in the paper I cite; furthermore, there are strong theoretical reasons for thinking that no other computationally feasible attack would work either.

It's not simply a symmetrical arms race. In ordinary cryptography, the code-makers left the code-breakers in the dust many years ago, and the same thing is happening in steganography for the same underlying mathematical reasons.

438 posted on 01/08/2003 10:23:02 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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