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Free music or stealing?
Cox News Service ^ | 12-23-2002 | Phil Kleur

Posted on 12/30/2002 5:11:11 PM PST by Drippy

Free music, or stealing? By PHIL KLOER Cox News Service

WHEN Lucila Crena, a freshman at Emory University in Atlanta, turns off the light in her dormitory room at night to go to sleep, her computer is still working hard.

``There'll be like 30 things downloading at once,'' she says. By ``things,'' she means songs she is downloading illegally using Kazaa, a Napster-like program the music industry is trying to put out of business.

``Right now it's all Christmas songs,'' she says, ``but I've got a lot of swing and tango.'' She estimates she has 1,200 songs on her hard drive.

And yet, she acknowledges, when asked directly, ``I think it's wrong.''

Her roommate, Jolyn Taylor, agrees that downloading music on the Internet is wrong, but he does it also.

Trent Reznor, lead singer of the rock group Nine Inch Nails, has something to say to the Emory roommates: ``Just because technology exists where you can duplicate something, that doesn't give you the right to do it. Once I record something, it's not public domain to give it away freely.''

There you have the battle lines.

Crena and Taylor have technology and the sheer weight of numbers on their side. According to a new poll by Ipsos-Reid, an independent marketing research company, more than 60 million Americans have downloaded music via the Internet - more than one-quarter of the population older than 12. Kazaa, one of the most popular downloading programs (also called file-sharing, because they allow individual computer users to share their files), is growing at a rate of almost 300 percent per year.

Reznor - along with a massive cohort of popular musicians including Missy Elliott, Neil Young, the Dixie Chicks, DMX and Elton John - have the law and morality on their side.

But the side with the law and morality appears to be losing, at least in the hearts and minds of music fans.

The result is the biggest disconnect between the law and otherwise law-abiding citizens since the days of Prohibition. Tens of millions of people are blithely breaking the law - and they know it. And most of the time, they just don't see what they're doing as particularly wrong.

``Some people don't know what's right to do, and some people don't want to do what's right,'' says Frank Breeden, president of the Gospel Music Association. The GMA is one of many organizations that work with the Recording Industry Association of America , which spearheads lobbying, lawsuits and educational campaigns to try to stem the downloading tide.

``People see this as an invisible, seemingly victimless activity, when the truth is it hurts the ultimate small business person, and that's the songwriter,'' who does not collect royalties, Breeden adds.

Randy Cohen, who writes the weekly ``Ethicist'' column for The New York Times Magazine, says he gets regular mail from music downloaders who realize that what they're doing isn't really right.

``They're hoping I can justify it for them,'' he says. But he won't. ``The central moral point is that you can't take someone's work without their permission.'' he says.

But Cohen acknowledges that the widespread nature and extreme ease of downloading music have made it a unique situation.

``People do this who would never in a million years go into a store and swipe a CD. Something a lot different is happening. There are temptations no ordinary human can resist,'' he says. ``And from the point of view of a kid, the music is already on her computer. It's all very good to say it's wrong, but the kids will just take it.''

Indeed, downloading is more a young people's game. The Ipsos-Reid poll found that more than 60 percent of people age 12 to 24 have downloaded music from the Net, compared with 19 percent of those 35 to 54.

That makes it an issue for teachers to grapple with sometimes.

``The students do not see anything wrong with it,'' says J.T. Gilbert, who teaches religious education at St. Pius X High School in Atlanta. ``(But) I don't necessarily blame my students for their naivete. To me the parents are the moral guides to their children's life. What we cover at school needs to be followed at home.''

Cohen blames the record industry for allowing matters to get to this point by overcharging for CDs and being slow to set up legal downloading systems.

In fact, just about everybody blames the record industry (except people who work for the record industry).

``I can't come up with an ethical argument to defend downloading, but I feel like I'm ripping off some big corporation, which doesn't feel as bad,'' says Mike Garmisa, an Emory senior. ``Companies are definitely fixing CD prices, and artists are getting such a small percent of the price.''

The music industry is fighting all this with every resource it has.

CD sales are down about 11 percent so far this year compared with last year, according to Nielsen SoundScan, while sales of blank CDs are expected to jump more than 40 percent this year, according to the Consumer Electronics Association.

Critics of the industry say there's no proven link between declining CD sales and soaring music downloading; the industry says it's obvious what's happening.

In addition to legal remedies - the industry is trying to put several file-sharing companies out of business, just as it did Napster - the record labels have also pushed their artists front and center in an attempt to convince downloaders that what they are doing is wrong.

A new group funded by the Recording Industry Association, called MUSIC (Music United for Strong Internet Copyright) has started a series of TV ads and a Web site (www.musicunited.org) featuring musicians speaking directly to their fans.

``We really look at it as stealing, because ... you're not paying for it,'' says hip-hop star Nelly.

``I'm all for getting a taste of something before you buy it, but when it becomes more than a taste and people begin hoarding the entire work, it becomes piracy, which results in a system in which artists are not being rewarded for their work,'' says Vanessa Carlton, who broke out earlier this year with the hit ``A Thousand Miles.'' Others, from Luciano Pavarotti to Eminem, also sound off on the group's Web site.

Ken Vaux, a fellow at the Center for Ethics and Values in the Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Chicago, doubts the campaign will work on kids who have come to expect free downloadable music as virtually an entitlement.

``They'll say Eminem is 100 times a millionaire. Who cares if he doesn't get a royalty?''

The best solution, practically everyone agrees, would be for the record labels to set up their own system, where fans could download music legally for a reasonable fee.

``The record companies have only themselves to blame. They're dragging their feet, hoping they can still charge 20 bucks for a CD,'' says Cohen.

The labels have made a tentative start, with fee-based systems like MusicNet and PressPlay. But the systems still have huge gaps in their music libraries - the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Alicia Keys, No Doubt and Billy Joel are among many major musicians not yet available. All are available on free, but illegal, systems like Kazaa, Morpheus and Grokster.

``It's still wrong to do this,'' Cohen says, ``but the law has to seem reasonable to people.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: musicnewsripping
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To: fnord
I'll avoid the obvious 'two mennonite' joke...
61 posted on 12/30/2002 8:45:15 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: zook
The obvious solution for the music industry is to negotiate some kind of fee with the software or hardware industry.

We already pay a fee on every tape or Cd sold under the assumption that copyrighted material will be placed on them. This argument goes all the way back to wire recorders.

I listen to music on the radio and record it for my own use, that is legal and is taxed via the tax placed on all recordable media, and surrendered to the media moguls.

I guess we will have to place a tax on hard drives :)

62 posted on 12/30/2002 8:52:34 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: k2blader
THANKS!!
63 posted on 12/30/2002 9:02:27 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: TerribleThunderLizard
Downloading is no different than recording off of a radio.

Finally, we have a winner. Someone who gets it. It is not stealing. It's not free either. We have to buy the technology.

64 posted on 12/30/2002 9:10:35 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Lower55
Is it any different than going to a public library and checking out a published copy? Or is my library card now proof of piracy? Or are they going to outlaw libraries next?
65 posted on 12/30/2002 9:16:03 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: DAnconia55
You do not have the right to steal the work of the artist, because you don't like the price of the painting.

You can how ever take a picture of it.

66 posted on 12/30/2002 9:19:02 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: Drippy
But it's not illegal on Kazaa, is it?
67 posted on 12/30/2002 9:22:15 PM PST by Quietly
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To: DAnconia55
I believe after a certain time, the copyrights expire, and you can do this.

That was the original idea, however the greedy media moguls have with a bought congress extended their copyrights into perpituity. A matter that is now before the Supreme Court.

68 posted on 12/30/2002 9:22:40 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: DAnconia55
"Intellectual property" is an invention of convenience. As a concept, it is helpful in enabling societies to allot dollars to authors, but it is impossible to define in any real sense. For example, the words and ideas I've written here now belong to no one and everyone. Should someone wish to repeat or paraphrase them, by what natural right can I insist they stop?

The only time any sort of moral question arises is if someone tries to make a claim of authorship on someone else's work, either for profit or not.

The downloading of music cannot truly be called "stealing," for the writer or performer of the song has not lost any intrinsic value. He still has his song, which he wrote or performed knowing full well the risks involved.

I thus continue to download music. However, when I hear some songs I really like (either on the radio or by encountering them via download), I will typically go out and buy the CD, voluntarily giving credit where credit is due.


69 posted on 12/30/2002 11:09:55 PM PST by zook
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To: Drippy
"God frowns upon both the people who offer the download sites and the people who rip other's songs."

I think God gives people the intellect to settle these kinds of matters for themselves. As a matter of fact, he's probably done a few downloads, himself.
70 posted on 12/30/2002 11:13:38 PM PST by zook
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To: SamAdams76
"I'm a 60s and 70s music junkie"

Do you remember a song, by a female singer, called "Big Time Boy"? Now there's one I can't seem to find to download. (And thanks for reminding me about "Mind Excursion"!)

PS.--do you remember "Scratchy" by Travis Womack (sp?)
71 posted on 12/30/2002 11:18:50 PM PST by zook
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To: Drippy
It's really nothing more than an academic matter any more as to whether or not downloading music is legal. It's like spending hours debating speed limits and jaywalking. It exists, it will always exist.

That said, the actions of the RIAA are so beyond the pale, their proposed legislation so utterly unconstitutional, that they have long since lost the moral ground, regardless of the law.

72 posted on 12/30/2002 11:27:48 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Drippy
Reznor - along with a massive cohort of popular musicians including Missy Elliott, Neil Young, the Dixie Chicks, DMX and Elton John - have the law and morality on their side.

But the side with the law and morality appears to be losing, at least in the hearts and minds of music fans.

Musicians have worked so hard for the last few decades to stamp out the idea of morality among their listeners... I think there's a word for this phenomenon, a word left-wingers seem to like: "Blowback"

If they had spent the last 20 years teaching their listeners the importance of property rights they wouldn't be in this mess now.

73 posted on 12/30/2002 11:31:06 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: FreedomCalls
Is it any different than going to a public library and checking out a published copy? Or is my library card now proof of piracy? Or are they going to outlaw libraries next?

In the UK, libraries DO have to pay some sort of book version of the RIAA every time a volume is checked out.

74 posted on 12/30/2002 11:32:21 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Revolting cat!
Here here. And let me add, that I am also sick of commie, druggie, back-stage-orgy-going recording "artists" opining about "morality"!
75 posted on 12/30/2002 11:37:41 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: DAnconia55
You do not have the right to steal the work of the artist, because you don't like the price of the painting.

But is one really stealing the "work" of the musician?

Is it theft to download a song that you never listen to? Or one that you hear but do not enjoy?

76 posted on 12/30/2002 11:45:03 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: TerribleThunderLizard
Until the mindset is changed and the distributors (RIAA) realize that they need a new way to make money we will have these little fights and technologically ignorant sheep will yell "THEIF THEIF".

I'm very far from technically ignorant.
However, I am not morally ignorant.

Downloading music that you didn't pay for is theft.

77 posted on 12/30/2002 11:49:00 PM PST by DAnconia55
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can't find the 80s stuff I'm looking for in the store or online anyway. well online on kazaa I can
78 posted on 12/30/2002 11:57:05 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: babaloo999; Paul C. Jesup; DAnconia55; SamAdams76
I don't mind paying once for the right to use a recording during my life. The artist and the record company get their appropriate recompense for their respective efforts in creation and promotion. The problem is that the RIAA wants to charge me for that right over and over again when my CD wears out, is scratched, is lost, is stolen, etc. They also wants to charge me whenever I change media. I have paid for the right when I bought a recording as a record, an 8-track, a cassette, and now a CD. No distinction is made between those who already own rights to a recording and those who purchase it for the first time. That is absolutely wrong.

The solution is very simple. A database could easily be set up which keeps track of who owns what rights to what recordings and included in the price of a CD. This crap about paying over and over again for the same recording is unsatisfactory when all most people need is new media.

Until the RIAA solves this injustice they deserve everything they're getting or not getting in this case.

79 posted on 12/31/2002 12:09:48 AM PST by Rockitz
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To: FITZ
People have been copying music since before the 8-tracks, if they make it impossible with CDs---which is up to them to do ---certainly not the government's job ---then people will record casettes.

Sure, but the difference here is that the duplicate is identical in quality to the original. No analog recording can match that.
80 posted on 12/31/2002 12:14:44 AM PST by Bush2000
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