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To: MissAmericanPie; B4Ranch; gubamyster; Marine Inspector; sixmil
The Freepers with the "send them packing" perspective and those who suggest I personally foot the tab for all immigrants, most likely do not live among and interact daily with "immigrants" as friends, neighbors, and stakeholders in what makes Texas Texas.

This discussion is wide open with so many points to be made that the result will likely be a tit-for-tat tangled mess.

So allow me to simplify the discussion: immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser. Just ask Pete Wilson. Wasn't he supposed to be president by now, hmmm?

I repeat, any notion that Texas' $5 billion shortfall is due to immigrants should be passionately rejected. Why not just blame senior citizens? They probably cost more and contribute far less; such a notion is equally absurd.

Specious reasoning = bad politics/policy.

31 posted on 12/30/2002 10:10:42 AM PST by RainDog
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To: RainDog
Your Hollier than thou attitude is ridiculous. My next door neighbor is a Permanent Resident Alien from MEXICO, of all places. Arturo and his wife work their tails off in a new restaruant they started two years ago. He will not hire "illegal wetbacks", his phraseology by the way. The last two that stopped in for employment application resulted in him calling the Sheriffs Office on them.

So quit blowing smoke up our ass with your "immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser"! A lawbreaker is a lawbreaker everywhere except amongst politicians where they see a potential voter.

34 posted on 12/30/2002 10:31:07 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: RainDog
So allow me to simplify the discussion: immigrant bashing is a moral/political loser. Just ask Pete Wilson. Wasn't he supposed to be president by now, hmmm?

Why do I care what the political fallout would be – I’m not a politician, just a taxpayer. Besides according to recent polls the vast majority of Americans support both legal & illegal immigration control. Tom Tancredo was overwhelmingly reelected.

You should stick w/ Texas politics, because in CA prop. 187 was passed by 60% of the voters.

You are also incorrect that this is a moral loser. We are a country that adheres to the rule of law. Anyone who supports law breakers is a moral loser, not the other way around.

I repeat, any notion that Texas' $5 billion shortfall is due to immigrants should be passionately rejected.

You have absolutely no facts to backup you claim, while there are irrefutable facts to prove that illegals are costing the taxpayers billions of dollars, not to mention posing a huge security risk. (Right now the FBI is looking for 19 possible terrorists who are illegals.)

39 posted on 12/30/2002 10:53:13 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: RainDog
I live and interact with illegals daily, send them packing until there is a fool proof way to keep them from voting, getting welfare, WIC, and sending their kids to school without charge, then demand they be taught in Spanish.

This is our country, not a flop house, it is not up for grabs. Sure we need menial labor to a point. But not to the point where American carpenters are put out of the picture due to the wage being too low, because let me tell ya, cheap labor has not translated to cheaper housing prices, just more profit for the builder.

Have you noticed the air lines having a problem replacing screeners and workers with real Americans? I haven't. This b o l o g n a that Mexicans do jobs Americans won't do is a crock. For the most part they take up jobs that Americans need, and need at a living wage.

There is more to America, and being an American than economics and companies charging the same price as if they had used American labor. Not to mention I am sure I am not the only American tired of having the FBI ask us to pick up their mess if we want to save our rears from another 9-11 attack.

The nerve of saying to the public, "Yeah we were tailing these guys right across the border then we lost them, can you, John Q Public fix the mess we made?" The protection of our borders should be number one on the agenda, all other efforts are for show and a waste of time and billions of dollars. Home Land Security is not even close to being able to accomplish security and never will be. You don't let the enemy in the gate then cross your fingers for luck.

Until Americans make it clear that we will not accept the idea that the loss of a few thousand American lives is acceptable as long as free trade isn't interfered with then we will not be doing our jobs as citizens will we. Until we make it clear that this is our home, not a corporation, not Disney Land, then we will continue to be over run until we are no longer an America worth living in.
73 posted on 12/30/2002 8:22:00 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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