Posted on 12/29/2002 8:59:44 AM PST by scripter
Your post presents as "obsessed with anti-Cameron conspiracies". Are you wearing a new pink tin foil hat (worn in SF streets and homes but banished from the AIDS hospices). Every observation springs from Mr C does it?
You are dismissive of the bleeding obvious. Anal sex for either gender is unnatural and abnormal. I cannot/refuse to recognise any excuse/rationale for anal sex, period.
Same Sex attraction is never gonna be 'normal' and like other human vices is a treatable behavioral dysfunction (cite me for using my common sense and not reading APA DSM propaganda to enable one to see the emporer's pink clothes).
Further spouting common sense without recourse to any agit prop, why isn't promiscousity anything to write home about? How many male's sex organs have you inserted into your mouth or anus since you became a homosexual? (I assume you are a homosexual and not simply a homophile/car-wreck-type-spectator.) A lot of adult SSAD sufferers have triple digit numbers -figuratively- carved in their bedheads and a host of medical problems beside simpler b. traits like intolerance and quick tempers. Promiscuous hetero persons, according to me, also have an obvious b. trait.
I have read some surveys from and recommend in particular a local paper I have read: McInnes, D & J Bollen. (2000). "Learning on the Job: Metaphors of Choreography and the Practice of Sex in Sex-On-Premises Venues". Venereology (Journal). [aka Everything you wanted to know about gay bathouses and teen predation but were afraid to ask]. It is approved of by Gay Adocates as it was done by anti-AIDS funders and STD researchers in gay sex practices including glory holes at the public toilets. But what subtext! Sickening and disgusting to a normal/lay person, nothing remarkable to AIDS workers and homophiles. Also Connell and Kippax (1990), "Sexuality in the AIDS Crisis: Patterns of Sexual Practice and Pleasure in a Sample of Australian Gay and Bisexual Men", Journal of Sex Research.
God Bless.
Cut thru the confrontation get back to basics with God personally. Think of your parents or perhaps some other husband and wife, perhaps your brother and his wife and kids. Of course its a difficult life and marriage takes a lot of work thats for sure, but its really worthwhile trying to get a firm grip on. Don't give it up. Maybe I'm annoying you here talking marriage as being the big prize when its just taken for granted by so many who have it without even realising the priceless treasure they have... I may be giving you a free kick or I may be giving you a tiny bit of hope... but I will not be silent around those wearing the emporer's pink clothes as I mentioned before and I cannot believe some people are stuck in the nightmarish life as seen in Deliverance and American Beauty. You can change and you can do so much better with this life. Whether its depression, addiction, adultery, gambling, violence and cruelty, perversion, heresy, whatever because with faith in God and prayer nothing is impossible: you can get out of your present predicament. Give prayer another try please. Gods Grace will be with You. Nothing stands between Him and You except your pride and your past. Dump the baggage of the past as I did, and dump your regrets with it. Clean house!
sorry for the delay in responding. I don't have time to check the thread for the exact quote (My wife had brain surgery this week and I'm just briefly checking in. Surgery went very well Praise God)
I believe that I pointed out that since H. doesn't have the possiblity of producing children it is an unnatural/abnormal condition. It is a mental illness due to its source in trauma. (and yes habitual masturbation is also a disorder. sexual addiction and all that)
GSA(P)
look at the physiology. It's self evident. Man was designed to fit with woman, not with another man.
GSA(P)
Actually we are discussing the tendency of those practicing homosexual behavior (and their supporters) to go to any lengths to try to control the conversation in order to avoid talking about the behavior. And since 'homosexuality' only makes itself known by the chosen behavior, homosexuality 'is' only the behavior
You prove the author's contentions admirably. thanks
GSA(P)
In the Bible, as in standard english, the general male tense always includes the female tense. So when the bible talks about a man laying with a man as being abomination, it includes the female tense (woman laying with a woman)
GSA(P)
Sorry BiaR, You're the one advancing unnatural acts and sexual perversion as normal and you call us freaks? That dog don't hunt.
GSA(P)
I wasn't ascribing anything to nature. I was pointing out that God designed man to 'fit' with woman and reproduce with woman, not with man. Making a moral judgement on actions can only be done when a moral foundation exists, A moral foundation can only exist in the presence of God.
GSA(P)
True but we were discussing the tendency of those who practice homosexual behavior to try to turn the conversation rather than to let their behavior be discussed.
There is plenty of sexual activity that doesn't result in procreation that is not biologically wrong, unnatural or immoral.
a biblical case can be built that any sexual activity other than heterosexual intercourse is immoral. A case can be built that any sexual activity other than heterosexual intercourse is biologically wrong. ( A man was designed to 'fit' into only one place on a woman. Only that place is designed with the proper characteristics to recieve a man). Therefore these same acts can be called unnatural.
GSA(P)
When you can't control the terms of the discussion or the course of the discussion. Go on personal attack. Exactly as the author states.
GSA(P)
100% of 'homosexuals' practice homosexual behavior. This behvaior is known to be unnatural and the result of trauma. Therefore all 'homosexuals' are mentally ill.
The abnormal behavior is the evidence of the disease, just as compulsive behavior is the evidence of obsessive/compulsive disorder
GSA(P)
Sorry for the delay in responding. My wife just underwent a temporal lobectomy to cure her epilepsy. Operation went very well praise God and she is recovering nicely. As such I won't be around much, very hit and miss. If it takes a while to respond don't take it personally.
God Save America (Please)
A recent Oxford University study has revealed that 20-year-old homosexual males have a life expectancy eight to 20 years shorter than 20-year-old heterosexual males. (Hogg RS et al. ‘‘Modelling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality In Gay and Bisexual Men.’’ International Journal of Epidemiology 1997, 26: 657-661.)
Once again, Paul Cameron was not the author.
Overstated and irrelevant. What you would call “promiscuity” is, in and of itself, not necessarily an indicator of mental illness. Furthermore, there is no evidence that a homosexual orientation CAUSES promiscuity. Additionally, the fact that promiscuous persons (homosexual or otherwise) have additional STD exposure risk is entirely unremarkable and completely irrelevant to a diagnosis of mental illness. Finally, such promiscuity is not even close to being a universal trait.
A survey by The Advocate, found that most homosexuals have had more than 30 sex partners over their lifetime, and about a third (35%) report more than 100 partners. The survey also found that homosexual men use condoms only one time in four. (Lever J. ‘‘Sexual Revelations: The 1994 Advocate Survey of Sexuality and Relationships.’’ The Advocate, August 23, 1994, pp. 21-22.)
Bell & Weinberg found that the average gay man had 500 different ‘‘lifetime’’ partners, while 28% had over 1000 partners. In addition, 79% of gay men in this study said more than half their partners were total strangers. (Bell AP & Weinberg MS. Homosexualities. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.)
By comparison, a 1988-1990 General Social Survey found that 91% of men 25-29 years of age are heterosexually active. Nineteen percent of these men have had only one lifetime sex partner, 55% have had two to 19 lifetime partners, and 25% have had 20 or more lifetime partners. (Cited by Seidman SN & Rieder RO. ‘‘A Review of Sexual Behavior in the United States.’’ American Journal of Psychiatry, 1994, 151: 335.)
Paul Cameron wasn't the author of any of these studies.
The Molestation Libel is utter, detestable, politically-driven crap; as the scientific and medical communities well know.
Bell & Weinberg (supra) found that 25% of white male homosexuals had sexual relations with someone aged 15 or less while they were aged 18 or older.
The Kinsey investigators indexed sex with the underaged two ways. First, 171 (26.5%) of 646 male homosexuals and 4 (1.8%) of 222 female homosexuals reported having had homosexual sex with someone aged 15 or less and 91 (14.1%) of the 646 male homosexuals and none of the 222 female homosexuals reported having had homosexual sex with someone aged 13 or less since they were aged 18 or older (Gebhard PH & Johnson AB. The Kinsey Data. New York: Saunders, 1979, p. 512).
By comparison, 79 (3.3%) of 2393 heterosexual men and 2 (0.1%) of 1840 heterosexual women reported coitus with someone aged 15 or less and 10 (0.4%) of the 2393 male heterosexuals and 1 (0.05%) of the 1840 female heterosexuals reported coitus with someone aged 13 or under since they were aged 18 or older. (Gebhard & Johnson, supra, p. 289).
This suggests a far greater incidence of sexual involvement with the underaged by homosexuals. Please compare 26.5% with 3.3%. Then compare 14.1% with 0.4%. And then compare 14.1% with 0.1%.
A study of Canadians imprisoned for pedophilia reveals: (1) 30% of the offenders studied admitted to having engaged in homosexual acts as adults, and (2) 91% of molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime sexual contact other than homosexual. In other words, their sexual orientation was clearly homosexual. (Marshall WL et al. ‘‘Early Onset and Deviant Sexuality in Child Molesters.’’ Journal of Interpersonal Violence 1991, 6: 323-336.)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles. (Freund K et al. ‘‘Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality.’’ Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 1984, 10: 193-200.)
Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and ‘‘40% to 45%’’ of child molesters have had ‘‘significant homosexual experiences.’’ (Quoted by A Bass, Boston Globe, August 8, 1988.) A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (Wassermann J et al. ‘‘Adolescent Sex Offenders -- Vermont, 1984.’’ Journal of the American Medical Association 1986, 255: 181-2.)
Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada’s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (Marshall WL et al. ‘‘Early Onset and Deviant Sexuality in Child Molesters.’’ Journal of Interpersonal Violence 1991, 6: 323-336.) Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (Bradford JMW et al. ‘‘The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia.’’ Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 1988, 13: 217-226.)
Bell & Weinberg found that the most common reported cause for a suicide attempt among adult homosexuals (47%) was a dispute with a lover. (Bell & Weinberg, supra.)
Once again, Paul Cameron wasn't the author of any of these studies.
I'm not going to waste bandwidth posting the many studies that were not written by Paul Cameron, proving that homosexuals have a vastly higher incidence of HIV, hepatitis and othe STDs than heterosexuals, that they are more likely to commit domestic battery and other violent crimes, that they are more likely to become alcoholics and drug addicts, and that they are more likely to suffer from such emotional disorders as depression, anxiety and paranoia.
You've seen them, I'm sure.
Now come on. Any group displaying this many different pathologies with this frequency should never have been removed from the DSM's list of emotional disorders in the first place, without conclusive proof that the pathologies were unrelated to the group's shared characteristic.
There wasn't any conclusive proof. In fact, there was no proof at all. There was just a lot of political pressure, deception and intimidation by gay rights activists.
A recent Oxford University study has revealed that 20-year-old homosexual males have a life expectancy eight to 20 years shorter than 20-year-old heterosexual males. (Hogg RS et al. ‘‘Modelling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality In Gay and Bisexual Men.’’ International Journal of Epidemiology 1997, 26: 657-661.)
I s'pose heterosexual men with HIV Disease live longer?
A survey by... Ah, "The Advocate". Last bastion of science and research in an increasingly cynical world.
Bell & Weinberg found that the average gay man had 500 different ‘‘lifetime’’ partners, while 28% had over 1000 partners. In addition, 79% of gay men in this study said more than half their partners were total strangers. (Bell AP & Weinberg MS. Homosexualities. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.)
The "average gay man" of course hangs out in the bars, sex-clubs, and bathhouses in 1970s San Francisco.
The Kinsey investigators... Yes, yes, we know quite well how reliable and statistically accurate Kinsey was.
A study of Canadians imprisoned... What was your operating definition of "homosexual", again? I seem to have lost it in all your posts.
Bell & Weinberg found that the most common reported cause for a suicide attempt among adult homosexuals (47%) was a dispute with a lover. And what's the most common cause foe a suicide attempt among adult heterosexuals? Running out of gas? Losing the Superbowl?
I'm not going to waste bandwidth posting the many studies that were not written by Paul Cameron...
Good. How much more bandwidth are you going to waste posting Cameron's interpretations of studies not written by Cameron?
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