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I went into all this before Christmas on another thread. You all and many more can keep your blood pressure up and be angry all the time, but I prefer to watch now. The President has only the beginnings of control over the INS by virtue of its moving to the new Dept of Homeland Security.

The first chores are to split off the border patrol from INS so it can be more effective and to get modern computers that can track immigrants. Until these things are done, there is no way to enforce any changes.

As these things are going to take a year, there is going to be no way to show you objectively how "the Bush administration" is doing until then. So, you all are just going to have to stomp your feet and scream yourselves hoarse at every demagogueing article until then.

P.S. The Coast Guard is getting a bunch of predator drones, but I don't think they'll be in service until 2006, probably because the army is snatching all the ones coming off the assembly line at the moment.

So tell us Patricia Ruth, is he listening or not?

When Karl Rove tells Tancredo "never to darken the door of the White House again" it doesn't bode well and we ARE angry about it.

There's a lot of us here and out in the public and it's with BOTH parties.

Many of us like President Bush but he's not listening to us. And that's what is making our blood boil.

The first chores are to split off the border patrol from INS so it can be more effective and to get modern computers that can track immigrants. Until these things are done, there is no way to enforce any changes.

Reshuffling the chairs on the Titanic isn't going to help solve the problem. Neither is buying another computer system. Michelle Malkin goes into great detail in Invasion regarding the millions of dollars that have been wasted on computer hardware & software over the years. Still no effective immigrant or visa tracking system exists.

As these things are going to take a year, there is going to be no way to show you objectively how "the Bush administration" is doing until then.

Thanks for the reassurance - just sit tight folks. Well he has had 2 years & has done nothing. In fact if it wasn’t for 9-11 we probably would have amnesty by now.

So, you all are just going to have to stomp your feet and scream yourselves hoarse at every demagogueing article until then.

Another effective argument – call us names & equate us to 2-year-olds. How about if I opt out of paying my taxes for the next year until your great system is in place? When every illegal is taking $55K more from the system than he is contributing over his lifetime, I’d rather not pay for another year of freeloading.

"The President has only the beginnings of control over the INS by virtue of its moving to the new Dept of Homeland Security."

Baloney. Rearranging who reports to whom has no effect on an ineffective, bumbling bureaucracy with contradictory goals. First there has to be clarity on what it's supposed to do, and then many heads must roll to get it to do its job. None of this is in the cards.

"The first chores are to split off the border patrol from INS so it can be more effective and to get modern computers that can track immigrants."

Modern computers by themselves don't compel illegals to submit to being tracked. By themselves modern computers don't even allow different agencies to communicate with each other.

"As these things are going to take a year, there is going to be no way to show you objectively how "the Bush administration" is doing until then."

Designing and implementing intergovernment communications to the extent you dream about would take a decade, not a year. Dream on.

The President has only the beginnings of control over the INS by virtue of its moving to the new Dept of Homeland Security.

Moving the INS into the DHS provides no more control than he had previously. He is the President and already has all the control he needs. His appointment of and open borders libertarian to run the agency was your first clue to how dedicated he is to controlling immigration.

The first chores are to split off the border patrol from INS so it can be more effective and to get modern computers that can track immigrants. Until these things are done, there is no way to enforce any changes.

Splitting the enforcement side (which the border patrol is only 1/5th) from the service side will not make the enforcement side any more effective. They only way you can make enforcement more effective is to change the current policy and laws. You can split the agency into a million parts, but if the policy and laws does not change, nothing changes.

Also, computers can not track immigrants, and immigrants are not who we need to track. We need to track the illegal alien traffic that flows across the border and the visitors that enter the country legally. It takes more than a computer to do that. And any off the shelf computer can run a data base or system software. We need new officers, new policy and some more high tech equipment on the border. Computers we have enough of.

I spend 10 hrs a day enforcing our immigration laws, and believe me, everything Bush and Company has done is smoke and mirrors to make the average citizen believe that he is cleaning up the mess. Nothing has changed to stop terrorist from entering the country.

As these things are going to take a year, there is going to be no way to show you objectively how "the Bush administration" is doing until then.

Bush could change most everything over night if he wanted to. It’s been over 15 months since 9/11. What is he waiting for? Another attack? Policy change is the stroke of a pen. Bush won’t even pick up the pen.

So, you all are just going to have to stomp your feet and scream yourselves hoarse at every demagogueing article until then.

And your going to sit their in front of your computer denying reality until the next attack.

Most of these article were written with the help of people inside the INS, the people that know what is actually going on. It’s time to wake up sir.

Well he has until November of 2004, otherwise

TANCREDO KILGORE
2004

The President has only the beginnings of control over the INS by virtue of its moving to the new Dept of Homeland Security.

Hogwash, the president appoints the heads of these departments, who implement policy. The policys forced on the Border Patrol from above have not changed in the two years since Bush took office. The Anti-American Clintonistas should have immediately been flushed out of the Justice Department/INS, two years later it hasn't happened. If you believe any thing has changed, for the better you need to spend some time talking to Border Patrol Agents along the border.

The first chores are to split off the border patrol from INS so it can be more effective and to get modern computers that can track immigrants. Until these things are done, there is no way to enforce any changes. As these things are going to take a year, there is going to be no way to show you objectively how "the Bush administration" is doing until then. So, you all are just going to have to stomp your feet and scream yourselves hoarse at every demagogueing article until then

You are naive, my friend. It is rare that a FR posts has as many fallacies in one short post.

The primary goal of the Bush administration "reforms" is to get contracts for their friends. Sorry, but that is the simple truth. The Federal bureaucracy is not going to be reformed or fixed in one year or five years or ten years. Twenty years? Maybe--if we have five consecutive Presidents who make it their highest priority. The likelihood of that is very very low.

The next fallacy of your post is the notion that bad policy can be fixed by good implementation. There is only one good immigration policy at this time in our history when for the past twenty years we have been faced with one million legal and a half million illegal immigrants a year. That policy must be a total freeze. No immigration for ten years. None. Nada. Zilch.

Then we probably could cut immigration down by half (in the real world) while W fiddled with bureaucratic reorganization and awarded contracts to his friends.

Some day we might actually get a President who actually wanted to stop immigration and then they would throw away the computers and start defending the borders and shooting on sight anything that tries to cross illegal entry points.