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To: Nix 2; Simcha7; Ariel; Avoiding_Sulla; Carry_Okie; MWS; buffyt; MHGinTN; 2sheep; 1john2 3and4; ...
When he raiseth himself up, the mighty are afraid; by reason of despair they are beside themselves.

Is this along the same lines of the despair Søren Kierkegaard describes all throughout The Sickness Unto Death and this idea here:

The fantastic is generally speaking what carries a person into the infinite in such a way that it only leads him away from himself and thus prevents him from coming back to himself ???

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Job 1: verse 6-Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of G-d came to present themselves before the Lord, and *Satan came also among them.
*That is, THE ADVERSARY.

7. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the Lord, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'

8. And the Lord said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered My servant, Job.....')

Stop there and realize that this was the Biblical translation of separating humanity, (JOB,) from its relative safety from within already established tribal arrangements, the beginning of the human age.

I hate to be repeating, but isn't this a description of what I said Thomas Hobbes was alluding to in Leviathan:

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.

Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] ...Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Israel, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.
(bold emphasis added)

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I'm not sure I am following you. I will say that I did point out some Judaic scholars believe the book of Job is more ancient than Abraham, while others claim it was written by Moses: sacred-texts.com. I also raised the question of Oedipus and of Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton) being analagous stories related to both those of Moses and Job - - the conflict between the Judaic and the pagan: Ethereal Explorations II (as illustrated by the Maccabean period (with Antiochus Epiphanes); Satan as the pagan Egyptian god Set and the "Adversary" of Judaic theology; and the stories of Job, Moses, Oedipus, and Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton).

Another question I ponder... Are the stories of Oedipus Rex and Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton) pagan Egyptian and pagan Greek representations and /or deceptive replacements for the Judaic Biblical figures of Job and/or Moses? And does this extend into the conflict of more modern times?

66 posted on 01/01/2003 4:41:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
ANYONE who seeks knowledge outside the Church is considered an enemy of the Church. THAT is the evil that HaSatan represents to the church. Knowledge. HaSatan never came as a destroyer. It came as a teacher and tester.
It was never the intent to break down the mind to rebuild it in some other fashion, which is the Church at its finest. It is the will of the Church that one not learn anything which could prove them wrong and it worked for centuries.
Half the NT is footnotes that have little to no truth whatsoever contained therein, but oh, they try in some of the most outrageous ways to *explain* the inexplicable.
You wish to discuss epic tomes with regard to history and how it was fashioned. There is far too much literature to chose from and from comparative studies, there are NONE than can precisely discuss any real actuallity because for every yea there is a nay.
I did several essays on Walden's Utopia, Skinner and Krutch. Though they disagreed, I could find none of the whole truth in either. What I have found is flawed reasoning based on individual and preconceived biases.
I prefer up front truth to ancient and flawed philospophies based on irrational thought because they ALL fail in one basic regard. They do not take into consideration HUMANS as they ARE, but rather what they think they might be.
67 posted on 01/01/2003 3:16:24 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Sacred-texts"

Maybe you who are so home on the site delving into Atlantis can give me some pointers on the nature of the hole at the North Pole, the Hollow Earth, and why the Earth is Shaped Like a Banana? Is it true that Shaver was just a lowly Barber?

70 posted on 01/01/2003 4:24:24 PM PST by Cachelot
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