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Plasma TV boosts Gateway picture - (42 " HDTV flat-panel display for $3,000)
The San Diego Union Tribune ^ | December 28, 2002 | Bruce V. Bigelow

Posted on 12/28/2002 1:23:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Plasma TV boosts Gateway picture

Low-price strategy, booming sales make some analysts enthusiastic

By Bruce V. Bigelow
STAFF WRITER

December 28, 2002


When Richard Doherty learned that Gateway, the build-to-order computer maker, was introducing a 42-inch plasma television for the holidays, he thought, "Oh, that'll be a good adjunct to their stores."

When he found out the Poway company would sell the giant flat-panel display for $3,000, Doherty thought, "Oh my God. They're going to change everything."

Though precise sales numbers on the plasma TV haven't been released, it's apparent that the computer maker has scored a coup – at least with analysts like Doherty.

Perhaps more importantly, Gateway might now have a product with the potential for sales growth not seen since the mid-1990s, when runaway personal computer sales drove double-digit revenue growth for the company.

As new government standards for broadcasting digital TV signals go into effect in coming years, some analysts predict the demand for plasma TVs could grow by 70 percent a year through 2008.

"We are constantly looking at the type of new product categories that made us so successful in the PC business," said Gateway's Gui Kahl, a digital solutions manager who guided the plasma TV launch.

In terms of current sales, Kahl and other Gateway officials will say only that holiday sales of the new TV have been running "significantly ahead" of their own internal forecast, whatever that may be.

Yet market researchers like Doherty, who works for the Envisioneering Group of Seaford, N.Y., say they're impressed, and that's a yuletide blessing for Gateway, which has been struggling to shake off losses for the past two years.

"The $3,000, 42-inch plasma TV turned a lot of heads here at Aberdeen and in the marketplace," echoed Peter Kastner, who heads the Boston-based Aberdeen Group's digital consumer technology practice. "The reason is the price point, plain and simple."

With Gateway's plasma TV priced at $2,999, analysts said the company is underselling similar-sized products by 30 percent to 50 percent.

The new TV uses plasma – a mixture of gases – arrayed in tiny gas-filled cells sandwiched between two thin sheets of glass. Using advanced electronics, an electrical current stimulates each cell, or pixel, to produce light and color – creating a vivid, steady picture.

Gateway does not make the flat-panel TV – which is thin enough to hang on a wall – and some analysts believe the original supplier is Sampo of Taiwan. In any event, the timing of Gateway's entry was impeccable.

"Retailers are telling us the Gateway entry this fall has cut in half the sales of similar-sized plasma TVs on both coasts," Doherty said.

Doherty also was enthusiastic about the consistent approach Gateway takes in educating consumers about digital TV on its Web site and in the company's nationwide chain of 272 stores.

Unlike big box consumer electronics retailers, Gateway also ensures that the digital electronic products it sells will work together when consumers get home.

"The second-biggest problem for high-definition TV in America, after confusion over cable and broadcast standards, has been the horrible experiences at consumer electronics retail stores," Doherty said. "Gateway makes sure that everything plays together."

In the last three months of 2002, Doherty estimates, total sales of plasma TVs in the United States could reach 25,000 – equivalent to all previous plasma TV sales. Gateway "clearly stands a chance to get up to 20 percent of that," Doherty added.

Still, other analysts caution those are small numbers – even for a high-priced product.

"It is a 'wow' item, and as prices come down, they will become more popular," said Michelle Abraham, a multimedia analyst for In-Stat/MDR near Phoenix. "But I don't see where they ever move into the mainstream in the next 10 years. It's always going to be more expensive than a comparably sized TV."

Josh Bernoff of Boston-based Forrester Research agreed, saying, "Even at $2,999, there aren't very many people willing to buy" the product.

He also doubts that sales of plasma TVs will come anywhere close to 70 percent compounded annual growth.

Nevertheless, Bernoff conceded that Gateway's sales approach can be an advantage as consumers who want their own home theaters "get into that zone where it gets complicated to hook up."

Besides, Bernoff added, "one of the reason retailers have big, fancy expensive products is that it gets people into the store so they can see all the other neat, fancy equipment that's on sale."

In the end, Bernoff said, Gateway's tactic makes sense for a company that is heavily dependent on consumer sales.

"They're just looking for other stuff they can sell," he said. "Clearly anyone who only sells computers is going to have trouble right now, and diversification is the only solution."


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: hdtv; technology; television
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To: badfreeper
Where's your sense of humor? There must be a thread that talks about old 15" CRT TV's.
121 posted on 12/28/2002 6:39:44 PM PST by Gracey
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To: bonesmccoy
It won't take the digital cable directly, which would have made it an even better purchase. But it does have two RF inputs, so you can have it hooked up to an HDTV antenna and the RF output of a digital cable box at the same time (or an analog line directly).
122 posted on 12/28/2002 6:43:52 PM PST by July 4th
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To: Gracey
A friend bought a 55" Mitsu Diamond series for 4K. Is there much difference?

You bet...your Pioneer is much (and I don't mean a little) better!

All HDTV monitors (that I know of) upconvert a normal 480i (meaning 480 lines interlaced) scanned picture to 480p (meaning 480 lines progressively) scanned.

This is accomplished by interpolating (ie...making it up) an imaginary line from the information of one scan line and the next and painting that between the two.

This is commonly call a "Line Doubler". A "Scaler" is an even a more complex program that looks at the picture that happens before and after a scene (or field) as well as the lines themselves.

And to add to your (no doubt) confusion, there is also the case that film runs at 24 fps (frames per second) while video is 30 fps. The way to make film look good on a video projector is to do what is called a 3/2 pulldown, where some frames are shown twice and others are shown 3 times to match the 24 fps to 30 fps.

And LASTLY, since most TV that you watch is "square" (a 4:3 ratio) the new sets are rectangular (16:9) and so, to make the 4:3 fit the 16:9, the picture has to be distorted (stretched) to fit. That is an algorithmic equation as well, and some are better at it than others.

WHAT I am saying is that your Pioneer Elite does all three jobs (Line doubler, 3/2 pull down and resizing) far better that the Mitsubishi.
It's not even close (though the Mits are getting better...their first line doubler was stomach churning horrible)

123 posted on 12/28/2002 6:56:04 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Gracey
I have some very old (30 yr) MacIntosh speakers. Can I hook them up to my Pioneer and should I? (Also, have other old Mac electronics that I don't use anymore.)

Speakers are subjective, so I'd have to hear them, but McIntosh (showing my age again, when I hear McIntosh...I think "Amplifier"...the "kids" think "Computer"..LOL) is TOP SHELF stuff.

I mean better that 99% of the stuff on the market. And if it's tube equipment, it's now worth about 100 times more than the day it was bought.

One of my most memorial nights was listening to an old MC 220 stereo tube amp a friend had picked up. Listened all night with no ear fatigue.

124 posted on 12/28/2002 7:13:33 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
Dear Eddie,

Thank you SO very much for educating, and reassuring me about my choice of Pioneer Elite. Thanks for taking the time to explain the differences. You're a sweetie, eddie. I'm indebted and owe you a tall drink next time we meet at a freeper event. I'm looking at my new PE and am so proud of my choice, thanks to you. I'm going to print out your comments. One reason I chose the PE was that the A&B store in town had all their TV's turned to a cable channel with the news streaming on the bottom of screen. Immediately I could see that the Pioneer had little or no visible distortion on the sides using the "stretch" version you describe, compared with other sets.

Also, would you believe I have a tube MacIntosh set... amp, preamp, tuner (what else?) and a solid state set w/speakers. Haven't used them since I moved a couple years ago, into smaller living quarters. I picked up the tube set from a newspaper ad, and knew the guy. Got it for around $200. Wow...100 times original price? That's unreal. I'm going to take them out of box and set them up now that you've inspired me. I also have two B&O turntables from the 70's era. They were state-of-the-art at the time. (My ex-mate bought them)

Thanks so very much. I love FReepers for more than the conservative comraderie, but for the sharing of knowledge in all fields. Thanks again, FRiend.
125 posted on 12/28/2002 7:47:11 PM PST by Gracey
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To: eddie willers
One of my most memorial nights was listening to an old MC 220 stereo tube amp a friend had picked up. Listened all night with no ear fatigue.

Nice to know. I'm quite sure mine is an MC 220, also. It's dark in the closet and I can't make out the model on the front panel.

126 posted on 12/28/2002 7:51:33 PM PST by Gracey
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To: eddie willers
Apologies... MacIntosh = McIntosh
127 posted on 12/28/2002 7:52:51 PM PST by Gracey
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To: goldstategop
I have an HDTV setup and it is like nothing you have ever seen. If you watch TV and have access to HD in your area(either from cable or over the air with an antenna like I have) you should really look into it. Take a look out of an open window at your backyard, that is how HDTV looks. The quality of the picture can't really be described to anyone who has not seen it. It is better than any DVD or computer monitor you have ever seen.
128 posted on 12/28/2002 7:56:48 PM PST by redangus
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To: bonesmccoy
I like your ideas about outflanking the media gatekeepers. The media commando units might also include a guerilla advertising broker to sell time on the tape as the historical events are being filmed.
129 posted on 12/28/2002 8:04:35 PM PST by houstonian
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Right now the current depressed world economy will force big conglamerates in every sector into price wars on hot selling items. What will come of this? Slowed technology growth, but with focuses on current technology and reducing costs for what are hot sellers and availalbe now.

Basically, we are going to see cheaper prices on tech introduced in the late '90s, company's will focus all their efforts and realign manufacturing to mass produce high-tech products, fast sellers. It happens in every down turn market, just get ready to start investing big in 2004-2006... the next big tech boom.

Just my thoughts, I can't wait.
130 posted on 12/28/2002 8:23:48 PM PST by livis_dad
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To: goldstategop
Its just a matter of time before Joe Six Pack will buy one to set up in the family living room.

Just like Tony Soprano! :-)

131 posted on 12/28/2002 8:27:43 PM PST by TheEngineer
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To: Gracey
I'm going to take them out of box and set them up now that you've inspired me

Look on the back of the Pioneer on the far bottom right for red and white RCA jacks in an area labeled "Output" (underneath it says FIXED/VAR). Run a set of cables from there to your pre-amp. (Use "AUX" or "TAPE" etc... anything BUT "PHONO"!)

Go into the TV menu and look for something that allows you to set the audio out to "variable". (Make sure you also find the section that allows you to turn the built-in TV speakers OFF)
Then set the volume of the preamp to around 11:00 and the remote control of your TV set will raise and lower the volume through the Mac.

(Set your TV between the two speakers, of course...LOL)

132 posted on 12/28/2002 8:36:51 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: livis_dad
Makes sense!
133 posted on 12/28/2002 9:00:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: bonesmccoy
It won't be long before digital display technology marries the PC enough for:
1. Freeper threads in multimedia
2. Video conferencing from your living room for the price of your DSL/Cable modem line
3. Movies over the web.

Last I read over 50% of the wild wild web users are stuck with a dial up modem. Movies/video over the web is still a way off for us poor schlubs stuck with no fat pipe.

I have a 57" Sony HDTV and the future is not looking good with the studios making noise about decoder boxes to block HDTV signals unless you pay their usage fees. HDTV over the air is the cat' pajamas but I think you're right, the studios will kill HDTV.

134 posted on 12/28/2002 10:35:08 PM PST by spectr17
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To: badfreeper
In about 15 years or so I'll be able to pick one up for a pittance!

Don't worry, you can laugh at everyone in 5 years when you're buying an OLED display for 1/5 of the price of the LCD systems.
135 posted on 12/28/2002 10:46:45 PM PST by Brellium
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I looked at one of these. Good price, but you get what you pay for. Samsung has some new DLP based projection TV's coming out in the next few weeks. They are supposed to have incredible pictures, be reasonably priced and have a very shallow box.

The plasma's are nice, but I have yet to see one that has a real clear picture. Not in this price range. Under $10K. The Gateway had shadows and "lag" like most of these do.

The technology is getting there. In the long-term the "organic" stuff is going to be "oh wow" technology. I think someone mentioned that already.

136 posted on 12/28/2002 11:01:27 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: badfreeper
In about 15 years or so I'll be able to pick one up for a pittance! I just replaced my 1985ish 20" TV (with dials on the front and a separate cable converter) with a new 27" thanks to a great Boxing Day sale! It's nothing fancy, analog, not a true flat screen, but for the amount of TV I watch it might even have bordered on a splurge. The old TV was starting to have some problems though. I have to admit, DVDs through an s-video connection look pretty great! 27 inches, for me, is a pretty big screen.

Myself, I still watch the same TV that we had when I was in high school. We have a 1982 Zenith 25" that is still going strong. It is an old "System 3" chassis that came out in the late 1970's. I remember watching everything from Ronald Reagan's Evil Empire and SDI speech to 9-11 and beyond on it. CRT is showing its age al ittle but the picutre is still as magnificent as when we first got it. I also still have our first color TV, a 1970/71 23" Zenith that I'd like to fix someday. One interesting thing on that TV, you have vacuum tubes, transistors, and early computer chips existing all at once. B-)

I remember vaguely when for color TV's, 23" screens were the biggest until the 25" screens came out. My aunt still used her old 1962? RCA color TV until a couple of years ago, it was one of the old round 21" RCA tube models that came out in the mid 1950's and lasted until the mid 1960's.
137 posted on 12/28/2002 11:01:35 PM PST by Nowhere Man
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To: cmsgop
I bet you do..

(LOL!!)

138 posted on 12/29/2002 12:41:16 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Gracey
"Where's your sense of humor?"

I've got a good sense of humour. Calling someone a troll and criticizing their tastes isn't funny. Funny would be something like, "So you're going to enter the 21st century around 2017 or so?" Your comments were just mean. I thought making fun of people for being less well off than yourself was something an elitist Democrat-type would do.

$3000 (almost C$5000) is not a TV for me. It's almost half of the downpayment on a home. Maybe after I've got that home and have a good chunk of it paid for I will go out and get a luxurious creature comfort like a 42" TV.

139 posted on 12/29/2002 6:11:29 AM PST by badfreeper
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To: eddie willers
Stay away from Bose....not only outrageously overpriced, but poor sounding as well.

No kidding! I remember back in the "old days" when I first heard the Lifestyle 12 5.1 system and how incredible it sounded to me! Then, a few months ago, I went to a new Bose store and heard some of their latest stuff. It all sounded like crap. My Aiwa mini-system was easily just as good. My, how the mighty have fallen...

140 posted on 12/29/2002 6:34:05 AM PST by Future Snake Eater
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