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California: Solving budget with rule change - (it's that pesky rule about a two-thirds majority )
The Stockton Record ^ | Saturday, December 28, 2002 | Will Shuck Capitol Bureau Chief

Posted on 12/28/2002 12:46:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lawmaker: Tie spending plan to simple majority

By Will Shuck
Capitol Bureau Chief
Published Saturday, December 28, 2002

SACRAMENTO -- Maybe it's not spending or lack of taxes that makes it hard for California to balance a budget. Maybe it's that pesky rule about a two-thirds majority and the way it gives a handful of Republicans power to block the majority Democrats' spending plan.

Assemblyman John Longville thinks so. The Democrat from Rialto thinks voters should change the constitution to do away with the rule.

After all, he says, Arkansas and Rhode Island are the only other states with such a requirement.

In California, the two-thirds requirement means final say on the budget is in the hands of six Republicans in the Assembly and two in the Senate, since without that many GOP votes, Democrats can't meet the two-thirds threshold.

Longville has introduced a constitutional amendment that, if passed by the Legislature and approved by voters, would allow the majority party -- currently Democrats -- to enact a spending plan with a simple majority vote.

The irony about Longville's measure is that it requires a two-thirds vote to put it on the ballot. So unless a number of Republicans want to cut themselves out of the budget process, the measure appears dead on arrival.

Longville said that if he can't garner votes for the measure in the Legislature, he'll take another route, relying instead on a special-interest group to fund a signature drive, putting the initiative on the ballot without input from lawmakers.

"I want to give them the opportunity first before going outside," he said.

He said he has talked to some groups that might be interested in helping but declined to name them. Labor groups have supported the idea in the past.

Ray McNally, a Republican campaign consultant, said voters won't go for it.

"To most voters, making it easier for politicians to raise taxes is kind of like giving a loaded gun to a convicted felon."

McNally predicted that "a large number of Californians would go ballistic."

But Longville has his own way of tapping into voters' anti-politician leanings. His measure not only would make it easier for lawmakers to pass a budget, it would penalize them if they don't do it on time.

Longville's bill would withhold their pay and their daily expense allowances as long as the budget is late. This year, the Legislature was more than two months late adopting a budget, but instead of suffering for it, lawmakers actually were paid extra, since they receive a daily allowance each day they are in session.

Assemblywoman Barbara Matthews, D-Tracy, wouldn't commit to supporting the measure, but she said she likes the concept.

"I know that in theory, asking for two-thirds is well-intentioned," she said. "But just because we hold out for a two-thirds vote doesn't mean the budget gets better. It might make it worse. I mean, you're talking about a very small number of people being able to hold it up, and that doesn't mean they're right."

One thing she has known since she ran a grocery store that relied on state payments for filling Medi-Cal prescriptions: "When we were waiting for payment, and they couldn't get a budget passed, I thought, 'Why don't we make those bums forfeit their salaries?' "

Not an uncommon sentiment. Californians historically have tended to vote against their politicians. Not only have voters opted for term limits, they also have voted to take large portions of the budget, such as education, out of the Legislature's hands. As recently as November, Californians adopted a measure that will force lawmakers to fund after-school programs.

Dave McCuan, a political scientist at the California Maritime Academy who studies ballot measures, said it's a tough time for a measure such as Longville's.

"Voters are in a sour mood, as evidenced by voter turnout," he said. "That doesn't bode well."

But Longville's target of March 2004 will put the measure on a ballot with a high-profile race as Democrats select their standard-bearer to take on George Bush.

Even so, McCuan said, it may come down to which side puts up more money and delivers a clearer message.

The opposition message is obvious, McCuan predicted: " 'They're going to increase your taxes. You're going to lose benefits you really appreciate.' In a down economy, that's a very powerful message."

Or, as McNally put it: "Do you really trust these people enough to make it easier for them to raise your taxes?"

* To reach Capitol Bureau Chief Will Shuck, phone (916) 441-4078 or
e-mail sacto@recordnet.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: budgetcrisis; calgov2002; california; davis
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1 posted on 12/28/2002 12:46:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 12/28/2002 12:47:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Howie
See this!
3 posted on 12/28/2002 12:49:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Same damn story over and over again. When the whiney ass liberals don't get what they want...they simply try to change the rules.
To hell with what the sheeple may or may not want.


4 posted on 12/28/2002 12:50:39 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
He said he has talked to some groups that might be interested in helping but declined to name them. Labor groups have supported the idea in the past.

Anybody capable of rubbing two neurons together knows he's talking about the California Teacher's Association, so why doesn't he have the balls to just say so?

Rhetorical question.

5 posted on 12/28/2002 12:52:59 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Let them make our day. Contrary to what John Longville thinks the voters will balk at turning over the car keys to the kids. The two-thirds vote is California's only protection against being completely gutted by the same crowd that's demonstrated its inability to keep the state's financial house in order. A repeal of it won't pass the State Legislature and its DOA at the ballot box. I say to our tax and spend Democrats, bring it on!!!
6 posted on 12/28/2002 12:54:12 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sounds good to me. The Republicans can all vote against tax increases, and they will still pass. When everything turns out to be a disaster, they can say 'We told you so, now vote for us'.

Sometimes experience is the only possible teacher.
7 posted on 12/28/2002 12:54:23 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I really like that graphic!

ROFL!!
8 posted on 12/28/2002 12:55:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think we need more super Majority requirements before the government can spend any money or pass new laws and regulations. We could allow a simple majority to cancel already approved spending or to rescind old laws and regulations. Pure democracy needs to be tempered in order to prevent what would otherwise be it’s decent into the tyranny of the majority.
9 posted on 12/28/2002 12:56:25 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Carry_Okie
The California Teacher's Association -- Hmm!

Perhaps that is why Davis proposes to cut the schools budget heavily.

Would help with motivating all of those votes!
10 posted on 12/28/2002 12:59:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: proxy_user
Our message is even more powerful: The Democrats have already increased your taxes. Don't give them the opportunity to pick what little money is left in your wallet, which belongs to you. Keep the two thirds vote in the Constitution to keep them honest. Vote down the Democrats' shameless total power grab.
11 posted on 12/28/2002 12:59:49 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"McNally predicted that "a large number of Californians would go ballistic."

It's possible!

12 posted on 12/28/2002 1:01:48 PM PST by Howie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Howzabout this -- the Kalifornia Legislature be restricted to a twenty-day term - period. This would require extreme prioritizing and hence the B.S. will never get to a vote. What d'y'all think?
13 posted on 12/28/2002 1:01:59 PM PST by szweig
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To: goldstategop
Let them make our day. Contrary to what John Longville thinks the voters will balk at turning over the car keys to the kids.

The republicans could have a field day with this by running issue adds. Why the heck are they not doing that? Lack of money, or lack of confidence?

14 posted on 12/28/2002 1:06:02 PM PST by snopercod
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To: szweig
I think we should have two legislative sessions a year limited to 180 days maximum, three months in the spring and three months in the fall. That way they do less mischief and damage than they would meeting year around.
15 posted on 12/28/2002 1:06:10 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: snopercod
They will. We'll see if the Demcrats are stupid enough to put it on the ballot.
16 posted on 12/28/2002 1:07:13 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: proxy_user
When everything turns out to be a disaster, they can say 'We told you so, now vote for us'.

Kill California in order to save California?
No, I don't think changing the Constitution is a good idea. I mean, if you want the Republicans to help the scumbags finish their destruction of California, the Republicans can just give them the small handful of votes they need.

17 posted on 12/28/2002 1:52:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: goldstategop
Fortunately,even many Democrats would vote against this one party rule,tax crazy scheme if it ever came up in a ballot.
Should it ever pass,however,the migration OUT of Cali would accelerate rapidly.
18 posted on 12/28/2002 1:55:26 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is my sense that what needs to be changed is to cut the full time legilasture back to 3 months per year. That would be an immediate savings in what those ding dongs bleed from the public as well as giving them less time to pass costly and rediculous laws. According to Michael Medved, one of the largest drains on the California budget today is for all of the state agencies and the legal system trying to comply with all of the politically correct laws and give away programs that are currently active.
19 posted on 12/28/2002 2:14:35 PM PST by drypowder
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Assemblywoman Barbara Matthews, D-Tracy, wouldn't commit to supporting the measure, but she said she likes the concept.

"I know that in theory, asking for two-thirds is well-intentioned," she said. "But just because we hold out for a two-thirds vote doesn't mean the budget gets better. It might make it worse. I mean, you're talking about a very small number of people being able to hold it up, and that doesn't mean they're right."

I mean, you're talking about a very small number of people being able to hold it up, and that doesn't mean they're right.

It bears repeating ... "that doesn't mean they're right." or that you are, A$$emblywoman. This is the best California has to offer to lead it?
W.A.S.S.
20 posted on 12/28/2002 2:19:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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