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Raise the taxes for our own good
AZ Republic ^ | 12/28/02 | Dan Schweiker

Posted on 12/28/2002 11:59:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

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To: hsmomx3
When the state economy was strong, did we do the prudent thing and put money aside for a "rainy day"? No, we reduced our "rainy day" fund

That's the smartest thing you could do. As we've learned in California, the legislature finds no shortage of "rainy days" when "rainy day" funds are sitting there for the taking. They've even been raiding our trust funds for highways, sewers, and the like, just because no pot of money is safe when the politicians are out to buy some votes or throw some cash toward their pet causes.

21 posted on 12/28/2002 12:25:38 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Riverman94610
During the 90's boom, when state revenues skyrocketed, the states increased spending instead of cutting taxes. Now, when the revenue has fallen again, they're not willing to cut spending.
22 posted on 12/28/2002 12:25:56 PM PST by aristeides
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To: tacticalogic
People who don't pay taxes shouldn't have a vote.
23 posted on 12/28/2002 12:26:57 PM PST by aristeides
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To: hsmomx3

Bastard.

This is a fine example of a "me, me, me, fiscal" conservative" I hate these guy's.

All he's worried about is himself and his money. If he thinks raising taxes will somehow help his business, he's all for it. No principle, no concern for his fellow man, just "me, me, me" raise taxes, do anything just help me uncle state gov!

You moron, did it ever occur to you that online shoppers have to pay shipping charges that retail shoppers do not? They also have to wait to receive their purchases and they always run the risk of them being lost or of being defrauded.. plus, potential credit card interest. that ought to be worth something.

Look at sales taxes. I don't know what they are in AZ, but let's assume a nice round 5%. Now a purchase of 100.00 (higher than the average retail ticket I bet) would yield the state five bucks. In all likelihood the shipping on that same purchase would meet or exceed $5.00, plus there's all the other inconveniences I mentioned.

This is a brick and mortar guy who can't compete and wants uber-gov to come to the rescue and bail his butt out at the expense of both taxpayers and newer, more flexible entrepreneurs.

A worthless rino, pig begging the government to raise taxes.

24 posted on 12/28/2002 12:28:02 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: winner3000
people change behavior based on their expected PERMANENT income, not this temporary blip
Ditto on that. What do you do when $300 suddenly falls in your lap? Either spend it or use it to pay off bills immediately. No long term planning involved. Plus what was the reasoning behind getting $300 vs some other amount? Its just what the government thought would be the best. No incentives involved to get more money, so people are just going to wait around till next year to see if the government throws out some more crumbs.
I think getting rid of the double taxation of dividends is a step in the right direction. That could stabilize the stock market, giving people an incentive to stay in the stock market for a longer time.
25 posted on 12/28/2002 12:28:15 PM PST by lelio
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To: hsmomx3
It sounds like Arizona needs to set up a "Tax Me More Fund."
26 posted on 12/28/2002 12:39:43 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: hsmomx3
Why should we expect a 1930s tax code to be effective in 2003.

Right, so get rid of it.

27 posted on 12/28/2002 12:43:05 PM PST by droberts
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To: lelio
A liberal in Arizona? Scratch one and you'll find a Republican. It looks like Dan Schweiker wants to schmooze up next to the state's incoming Democratic Governor Janet Napolitano. I mean what better way to ingratiate yourself with the new administration than to whisper you want taxes raised? I wouldn't be surprised to find Schweiker in line for a post in Napolitano's new administration. After all its been demonstrated for all to see that raising taxes is a bipartisan endeavor in the Grand Canyon State.
28 posted on 12/28/2002 12:44:11 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: FreedomCalls
AZ needs to ship its RINOs out to California.
29 posted on 12/28/2002 12:45:19 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: citizenK
More like pragmatic socialist

Exactly. He apparently does not see any level beyond which government should NOT expand.
He also exhibits a complete lack of understanding of basic macroeconomics.... i.e. the formula for GNP...
GNP = Consumer spending + Investment + Govt. spending - Transfer payments (taxes).

If govt. spending is in balance with taxation, then the last 2 components of the formula are mere offsets. If there is less govt. spending and a corresponding reduction in taxes, then GNP remains the same.

But then, as a "journalist", he need not be burdened by facts.

30 posted on 12/28/2002 12:45:40 PM PST by TheGrimReaper
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To: hsmomx3
The author, Dan Schweiker, is a liar and a scumbag.

31 posted on 12/28/2002 12:46:59 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Nat Turner
The writer of the tax-hike article is a silk stocking socialist!
32 posted on 12/28/2002 12:49:19 PM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: MarketR
Progressive taxes take money from the most productive and gives it to the least productive of our society.

The result is always the same. Less productivity.

What a moron this guy is!
33 posted on 12/28/2002 12:53:58 PM PST by DB
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To: Nat Turner
- if he can prove one time that you can tax your way to prosperity

Exactly, Nat... it's a little like the "let's gamble our way to prosperity" mindset that pushes Lotto off on a gullible public.

We're running into this nonsense in my hometown, too. The city fathers have spent like a bunch of drunk sailors, squandered the "surplus" ( which I believe was a bookkeeping gimmick, nothing more ) and tried to raise taxes to hide their malfeasance.

They are being recalled, and criminal inditements are expected. But it's been going on for years, at city level, and at county level.

We have only touched the tip of an iceberg.

34 posted on 12/28/2002 1:05:38 PM PST by backhoe
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To: hsmomx3
Here is the statement which proves that the author, Dan Schweiker, is a liar and a scumbag:

"As a Republican, I know that we need to invest in Arizona to make it a state worthy of all the great people who live here. And, yes, I'm willing to pay more taxes to make that happen."

See, in true Shakespearean "thou doth protesteth too much" fashion, Schweiker feels it necessary to emphasize at the beginning and at the end of his screed that he is a Republican. This gives his claptrap credibility, you see. He may be registered Republican, but he is indeed a stinking, scumbag Democrat, no question. He's a liar.

Then, when he says, "yes, I'm willing to pay more taxes", what he really means is that he is willing to have everybody else pay more taxes. A true liberal Democrat in every sense of the word.

Hey, Dan - - go ahead and write a big fat check to the Arizona state treasury if that taps your toe. But I bet there's a whole lot of people who don't appreciate you wanting to give away their money.
You filthy little puke.

35 posted on 12/28/2002 1:06:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: xJones

December 28, 2002

Lipton plant packs its bags
By DAN WHITE
The Santa Cruz Sentinel

SANTA CRUZ — They knew for an entire year that the end was coming.

But that didn´t make the end less painful for 135 employees of Lipton Tea employees, who watched their plant shut down shortly before Christmas.

A few are leaving the state to work at other Lipton plants. Many more will be heading to the local unemployment office.

"There are a lot of bitter employees, of course," said a female employee who did not give her name. "Some people got jobs in other plants, but a lot of people who worked here 25, 30 years no longer have a job."

After years of downscaling — including an ongoing shared leasing arrangement with Harmony Foods that began in the mid-1990s — company administration announced in January it would shut its local plant by the end of the year. Uniliver Bestfoods, which owns Lipton, said it would be cheaper to do business elsewhere "for the long-term future of our business."

Lipton was a ghost building on Friday afternoon with no one around but a security guard.

It´s been a dispiriting month for the Santa Cruz business community. Around the same time Lipton shut its doors, the Wherehouse music chain announced it was about to close its 10,000-square-foot store on Pacific Avenue — just down the street from the family-owned Integrand Designs store, which closed in September.

The Lipton shutdown follows more than 30 years of operation on Delaware Avenue.

A former plant manager, Wally Dale, 63, who retired three years ago, said some workers will go to Suffolk, Va., Tucson, Ariz., and the City Of Industry. He could not estimate how many lost their jobs.

Dale said the company worked hard to steer people who faced layoffs into job-training programs.

"Lipton bent over backward to try to do things right for employees," he said.

The current plant manager and representatives of the Netherlands-based Unilver Bestfoods could not be reached to comment.

During its peak in the mid-1980s, the plant occupied 320,000 square feet and had 550 employees. It produced three mainstay Lipton products: dried soups, tea bags and Wish Bone salad dressing. It added Fun Fruits, Fruit Rolls and other products that came and went.

"It got to the point where the plant was bigger than needed, there was idle space and it was not economic to run it anymore," Dale said.

The plant produced 20 million pounds of tea annually. The plant would receive tea in bulk, blend it, put it in tea bags and prepare it for shipping.

Dale said the loss is part of a general manufacturing downturn, but he also blamed the past two decades of progressive Santa Cruz city councils.

"We worked very hard to keep it open, but sometimes the economics of having a business in Santa Cruz just isn´t that feasible" Dale said.

He said the Santa Cruz Area Chamber of Commerce and a "pro-business" council in the early 1970s actively recruited and encouraged Lipton to make Santa Cruz its West Coast hub.

"(But) The City Council has been anti business for years, and if you look around you, there has been a migration out of Santa Cruz for quite some time."

He pointed to Texas Instruments and the William Wrigley Co. as businesses that pulled the plug on their Santa Cruz operations. All three companies were longtime tenants of the industrial area bordering Delaware Avenue on the city´s Westside.

The Lipton closing means there is suddenly 145,000 square feet of unused space in that building. A "For Lease" sign was already in front of the building Friday, hawking "warehouse and flex space."

The current owner of the Lipton building is a partnership that includes Barry Swenson Builder, said real estate broker Kristen Macken, who is trying to find a tenant to sub-lease the space from Lipton.

Macken said several warehousing and distribution companies, and one food manufacturer, have expressed interest in the space.

Councilman Mike Rotkin said none of the recent business closings, on an individual basis, were disasters for the city.

But taken together, they are part of a troubling trend, he said.

"Santa Cruz is not doing worse than its neighbors," he said. "Sometimes we outperformed others because of tourism. But we´re in a situation where the economy is down, sales taxes are off, and that hurts everybody. (Utility tax repeal) didn´t pass so we´re not in a complete meltdown. But we are in a serious economic crunch. There will undoubtedly be layoffs in the city government."

He denied the city has been anti business, and said it has worked with companies that provide industrial jobs. He said companies that avoid Santa Cruz also avoid countless other areas with environmental regulations.

He guessed it will be very difficult to find a comparable manufacturer to fill the space.

Rotkin said the city should continue to play to one of its greatest strengths: tourism. He said he planned to encourage the City Council to take up the issue of a conference hotel in the Beach Street area as a source of city revenue.

He hopes the council will put the idea on the table again perhaps by the end of the winter.

A previous, more intensive conference center-hotel plan drew strong opposition three years ago, and was rolled back because of community and council opposition.


36 posted on 12/28/2002 1:09:21 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Riverman94610
I personally don't mind paying taxes for essential services but..

There is only one way to determine which services are essential, and that is by finding out which services each individual will voluntarily pay for. This rules out taxation, which only indicates which services someone in power thinks that he can force others to pay for.

37 posted on 12/28/2002 1:10:27 PM PST by IMHO
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To: Lancey Howard
I'm a RINO! TAX ME!
38 posted on 12/28/2002 1:13:05 PM PST by Mark was here
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To: IMHO
If Schweiker thinks we need to raise taxes for our own good let him set a personal example and fork over his hefty CEO's salary to the AZ treasury. I'm sure the state's hard pressed taxpayers will then follow his lead.
39 posted on 12/28/2002 1:13:13 PM PST by goldstategop
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