Posted on 12/28/2002 11:13:08 AM PST by ex-Texan
Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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I usually would not with it on my worst enemy ... BUT there are some out here that need a comeuppance. Unfortunately they probably wouldn't "get" it anyway ... losing a "cheesecake" factory job does not have the same life ruining impact that losing a lifelong engineering career has.
What is the difference whether or not the employee writes the check to insurance company or the employer does? Either way the cash is coming from the same pot. Remember, the employer hires the employee to help the employer make money. Some of that money is paid directly to the employee as salary. Some is paid to insurance companies as a benefit for the employee.
I know many people in the same boat. I live in a resort community that has a high proportion of retired people. Many of them have had their stock portfolios severely damaged along with their plans for those 'golden' years.
But my Career is as a Real Estate agent. Because I'm self employed, I didn't have the luxury of unemployment when the economy crashed here. So I took a part time job. Was that somewhat humiliating at my age (40)? Yes, no more or less than un-employment I'm sure. My business is back now, and as soon as I get some more debt paid off, I will quit the part time job you ridiculed.
It says a lot about your character that you ridicule someone working part time in a restaurant to make it, while making your time on the dole out to be some grand struggle. Tough times are like that, they reveal character. FWIW, I agree with you on H1b.
The Constitution provides for all of those items. What we have now is far beyond what the Constituion allows for. What we have now is socialism. Eventually it will fail. Save your red herrings for dinner.
Don't bet the farm on it
Because I'm self employed
Like you told Keith ... don't blame me for your bad decisions
I will quit the part time job you ridiculed.
I wasn't ridiculing your job ... I was ridiculing your notion that laid off high tech workers should shuck a lifetime career and move elsewhere to work at some low paying job at the first sign of trouble. I was also ridiculing with great prejudice your idea that laid off high tech workers are bums living off the government teat.
That IMO is ridicule RICHLY deserved
Right now I have two jobs and for now I could fairly easily get another if I needed but I'm not so sure-of-things that I think nothing like that could ever happen to me ----how many of us can go without 3 or 4 paychecks before bad things started happening? I couldn't make ends meet on unemployment --or a McDonalds job. I tried hard not to spend much on Christmas because I don't think things are getting better anytime soon.
I second that emotion...
I am sure some folks here will tell you that is because you got lazy :(
Don't bet the farm on it unless you work at Sneaky Petes.
Tony DOES make a little more than me BUT he also owns a pool business and has a large inheritance. He also happens to be a friend of mine
Many unemployed don't apply for UI. I have averaged 3 jobs per year for 50+ years. I probably average 3 days between jobs. The longest gap was 5 months and that was because I was turning down jobs beneath my wife's opinion of me. 80% of gaps have had 0 days between jobs. Whether 2 weeks notice or 2 minutes notice of termination, I usually find a new mainframe consulting position within hours. I currently receive 2 or 3 unsolicited mainframe calls a week. I can be at Radio Shack, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, insurance inspector, etc in hours if mainframe is not there. (I never touched computers till my mid-40's when I started one of many new careers.)
#2. How is it that immigrants from India find computer jobs here at only 10% less than my high rate? How is it that Mexicans illiterate in Spanish, with no papers, find jobs here at $20/hr. Oh pity, they actually have to work and get dirty on those jobs. For them, that is macho. But macho is not IN for some wimps.
Options: Send the jobs to foreign countries.
Bring the foreign workers here.
Convince Americans there is more dignity in any job, than in entitlements.
Grow the economy so there are jobs for everyone in their chosen field.
Feel how you want. Paying people not to work is immoral. (BTW, the programs you mentioned before were government programs that paid people to WORK, big difference from paying people NOT to work) It makes the giver resentful and the taker slothful. If it's such a great idea, why don't we extend unemployment to everyone forever? I can't think of anything more compassionate than that.
Actually - and, of course, IMHO - it makes perfect sense. As the average life span increases - most folks in their 40s will live to 90+, children under the age of 10 will see the 22nd Century - retraining will become a fact of life.
Unlike our parents and grandparents we cannot rely on one skill set for the duration of our lives. The absurdity of early retirement becomes all too apparent when one becomes obsolete because of a lack of skills and when one runs out of money before life.
One more time ... Unemployment Insurance is just that ... an insurance policy that the employer pays into as part of an employees SALARY package. Taking UI is like collecting on an insurance policy. The government DOES NOT pay it. UI used to have a TWO YEAR longevity. It was shortened by previous administations to 6 months (mostly by Klintoon)because the job market was in boom times. The job market is now IN THE TANK and people need that extra INSURANCE money to find a job in a depressed market. Drawing unemployment insurance is no more unethical than you collecting on YOUR retirement fund.
That's a load of bovine digestive byproduct and you know it - I don't expect to be on unemployment for life, and no one else here in the same boat does either. Get real.
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