800,000 Jobless Americans to Lose Aid

USA Today / AP ^ | 12/28/2002 | AP Staff

[ex-Texan]

WASHINGTON (AP)

[glory]

Self-motivation, creativity, and ADAPTABILITY


Well no wonder none of the high tech folks can get a call back then;-)

[clamper1797]

5. Most of these high tech workers have spent a LIFETIME building their lives and are NOT likely to give them up before the situation becomes critical ... we HAVE been though downturns before, BUT in high tech this is NOT a repression ... as the media recently reported, it is a high tech DEPRESSION. No one could have anticipated the level that this has reached.

answer my question ... how old are you???

[clamper1797]

repression = recession

[glory]

Boy, where do you folks live? Perhaps this is a west coast attitude or big city attitude in retail? I've just never seen retail turn down folks for being overqualified--of course, they will ask, but most want something to put down on paper that they asked.
This is surreal if it is true(not you personally, just the many stories saying the same thing--starting to sound like an urban legend when it does not match up with people with different experiences coming from other professional fields.)

[Mo1]

Democrats and labor unions, sensing political opportunity,

Oh here is a crazy idea for the Dems, instead of "sensing a political opporuntity" for THEMSELVES .. why not they get off their fat butts and earn the paycheck WE pay them and help get the economy going??

Oh but then I guess the Dems would have to actually care about the American People wouldn't they

[glory]

BTW, don't judge me either. We were in your position. My husband applied for and was willing to accept anything. He did accept a position with less pay until he builds his business and it requires a lot more work than the other. He was out of work 4 mos., two of those spent moving across country and finding a home, the other two spent actively looking. I can say confidently that he did not even follow all leads. If he had, he may have found an even better position than the one he has. The jobs are out there. Flexibility and adaptability are the key imo.

[glory]

AGREED!

[Keith in Iowa]

Boy, where do you folks live? Perhaps this is a west coast attitude or big city attitude in retail?

It's happening in to me - so it's not just a west coast thing, or big city thing.

[clamper1797]

Still have NOT answered my question

[Hunble]

On the H1b issue, I learned that lesson the hard way.

Three years ago, I was hired for software project that started out with two outstanding software engineers. We studied the problem for two months until we fully understood all of the details required to create software to solve the business problem we were tasked with.

After two months of studying the problem, we were ready to attack the problem and create the software required. That is the time when we were first introduced with H1b programmers from India.

This caused a major problem, since we could not use a common language. Yes, they were good programmers, but it was impossible to express the details about this business and how our software can be optimized to solve the problem.

We got flooded with Russian, Canadian and Indian programmers within a month. Out of 46 software people, only two were Americans! For the people paying for this project, they thought this was cost-effective!

I was an expert in distributed programming and I refused to back down when people ignored my advise. Eventually, I was fired from the project because I was not following orders and demanded that the software be written correctly.

Two months later, the last American also quit in total frustration. After working 14 hour days, 7 days a week, everything was going to shit. As he told me: "Dammit, you fired the only person that knew how to make this stuff work!"

After $6 million dollars were invested in this project, the investors finally pulled the plug. It was a total disaster.

Jeff and I eventually worked together on another project a few months later with Lockheed Martin. Software Engineers who do know what they are doing can work magic, and hopefully, you may see our software results in the near future.

[Republic of Texas]

If you can't find a job where you live...move!

[Republic of Texas]

Misery loves company.

[Republic of Texas]

Do you live in Dallas?

[clamper1797]

Micro Cephalic ....

[marajade]

They don't have non officer jobs in San Diego for the military? I would think living near the water and being an engineer that that would be worth something?

[clamper1797]

I have and Corpus and Austin. Taught at Ti in Sherman SGS Thonmpson in Dallas (Irvine). Gave many seminars at the Anatole

[marajade]

what about getting your teaching degree and teaching history? In AZ all it takes is a four year degree...

[Keith in Iowa]

Up yours. I'm at the point now where I can't afford to. Take your sunshine and blow it up someone elses pants.

[glory]

I agree--clamper, you could have come back with an "I don't know if the economy will turn around so I am looking into starting into a different career and direction in my life. I do not see this as temporary at this point in my life" How would that be lying to the man? He just wants reassurances and it's easy to give them since NOBODY knows if and when the economy will be like it was for high tech folks anyway. If the economy doesn't come back you may end up retiring as the district manager from the place, living comfortably, and if it does, you still may have given the guy a good 2 yrs of your working life. I can see though how he would not feel very reassured when you all but said you have no real committment there. You are selling yourself short since you don't know what the future holds. You and others like you are behaving as if your fields will open back up, I just don't think that is the way to go since you don't know. You could have given the man the reassurances he was looking for, without lying, and got that job imo.

[Republic of Texas]

I do agree that the H1b situation is wrong, but unless someone on this board can change it, today, the wise thing to do is prepare for something else. And find a job to tide you over in the meantime.