[crystalk]

This whole thread is fundamentally dishonest.

In just how many relationships or whatever you call them today, do men have ANY say or any real role at all. The women grab onto them, tell them what they are to do, and call the police if they try to object.

Men should claim to have AIDS, have a vasectomy, be sterile, be gay, be impotent, surgically castrated or missing their penis due to a war injury or a botched circumcision.

Anything to get them to pick on somebody else.

[Z in Oregon]

Surrender for yourself only.

[Lorianne]

Or men could take responsibility for themselves and just learn how to say "no" in 165 languages.

Of course, presenting men as a "victim" of sex is so much more rewarding isn't it? By the way, are you going to be leading the movement to be surgically castrated?