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To: BuddhaBoy
I will confess I don't know exactly what is being proposed and I, along with everyone else, don't know what the actual implementation will be.

But yes, it is a Mexican thing. Regardless of how many treaties, agreements, etc., with whatever country - this is another Mexican demand that PRes. Bush would like to meet. There is no way around that. His history is all we need.

Now I don't know what the existing law is, but for Mexicans to come here and work (possibly legal aliens) and return to Mexico to receive SS is nothing new. It has been going on for years.

This has to be something new and different or they would not be sending up the trial balloon. I suspect this is for illegal aliens - just judging from the attitude of our President and his friend in Mexico. I would think Fox doesn't think he is getting enough American dollars. WE doubled our foreign aid - we have taken in many, many more of his people to support, they are sending back to Mexico monies that equal 1/3 of their economy, and still it is not enough. He sees that Americans sill have something left in their pockets, and wants it.

17 posted on 12/28/2002 10:10:40 AM PST by nanny
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To: nanny
Mexican nationals who worked in the United States can receive benefits now.

Part 3-B

If you are a citizen of one of the countries listed below, you also may receive your payments as long as you are outside the U.S., unless you are receiving your payments as a dependent or survivor. In that case, there are additional requirements you have to meet-see Part 4.
 

Albania
Antigua and
   Barbuda
Argentina
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bolivia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Brazil
Burkina Faso
Colombia
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
El Salvador
Gabon
Grenada
Guatemala
Guyana
Hungary
Iceland
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Jordan
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Macedonia, Former
   Yugoslav Rep. of
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mexico
Micronesia, Fed.
   States of
Monaco
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Peru
Philippines
Poland
St. Kitts
   and Nevis
St. Lucia
Samoa (formerly
   Western Samoa)
San Marino
Slovak Republic
Slovenia
Trinidad-Tobago
Turkey
Uruguay
Venezuela
Yugoslavia, Fed. Rep. of
  (formerly Serbia & Montenegro)

(This list is subject to change from time to time.)

Part 3-C

If you are not a citizen of the U.S. or a citizen of one of the other countries listed in Parts 3-A or 3-B above, your payments will stop after you have been outside the U.S. for 6 full calendar months unless you meet one of the following exceptions:

Australia

Austria
Belgium
Canada
Chile
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Ireland

Italy

Korea (South)
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom

(This list is subject to change from time to time.)

However, the agreements with Austria, Belgium, Germany, Sweden and Switzerland permit you to receive benefits as a dependent or survivor of a worker while you reside in the foreign country only if the worker is a U.S. citizen or a citizen of your country of residence; or

Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde Islands
Central African
   Rep.
Chad
China, People's
   Rep. of
Congo Rep.
Ethiopia
Fiji
Gambia
Ghana
Haiti
Honduras
India
Indonesia
Kenya
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Myanmar
Nepal
Nigeria
Pakistan
St. Vincent &
   Grenadines
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Somali Dem. Rep.
South Africa,
   Rep. of
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Swaziland
Taiwan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Tunisia
Uganda
Yemen

(This list is subject to change from time to time.)

If you are not a citizen of one of the countries listed above, you cannot use this exception.

If you are not a U.S. citizen and none of these exceptions applies to you, your payments will stop after you have been outside the U.S. for 6 full months. Once this happens, your payments cannot be started again until you come back and stay in the U.S. for a whole calendar month. This means you have to be in the U.S. on the first minute of the first day of a month and stay through the last minute of the last day of that month. In addition, you may be required to establish that you have been lawfully present in the U.S. for that full calendar month period. For more information, you may contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or consulate or Social Security office.

Part 4--Additional Residency Requirements for Dependents and Survivors

If you receive benefits as a dependent or survivor of the worker, special requirements may affect your right to receive Social Security payments while you are outside the U.S. If you are not a U.S. citizen, you must have lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years. During that 5 years, the family relationship on which benefits are based must have existed. For example, if you are receiving benefits as a spouse, you must have been married to the worker while living in the U.S. for at least 5 years.

Children who cannot meet the residency requirement on their own may be considered to meet it if it is met by the worker and other parent (if any). However, children adopted outside the U.S. will not be paid outside the U.S., even if the residency requirement is met.

The residency requirement will not apply to you if you meet any of the following conditions:


19 posted on 12/28/2002 10:24:26 AM PST by sarcasm
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