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Mexico bypassing U.S. sovereignty?
WND ^ | Dec. 27, 2002 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 12/27/2002 3:39:01 PM PST by Nachum

The Mexican government has formed a 100-member council in the United States comprised of U.S. residents whose stated mission is to advise Mexico City on the needs of its 9.5 million citizens living north of the border – legal and illegal.

Carlos Flores Vizcarra, Mexico's consul in Tucson, told the Arizona Daily Star the committee was a "representative entity" set up to "voice the concerns of the Mexicans who are here" in the U.S.

But critics of the committee say it is an attempt by Mexico to bypass U.S. sovereignty and set up representative branch of the Mexican government on U.S. soil.

"I think in general what the Mexican government wants is a joint sovereignty with the United States over Mexican nationals living in this country," Steven Camarota, research director of the Center for Immigration Studies – a group that favors restricted immigration – told the paper.

Vizcarra discounted that, saying the committee was not "a House of Representatives" or "a parliamentary assembly."

And Cándido Morales, director of the Mexican government's Institute of Mexicans Abroad, said one of the committee's functions is "to tell us what government programs that are targeted to their benefit in the United States are working, and which ones are not."

One example, he said, is the Mexican government's literacy program, which provides books to U.S.-based Mexican communities. And, he said, groups like Arizona's Yaquis could seek the committee's intervention in securing permission to cross the border to bring donated materials to the Yaquis in Sonora, Mexico.

Despite those explanations, however, there are other hints that the council may be more of a U.S.-based entity representative of the Mexican government. If nothing else, it seems to have the official backing of Mexico City.

The paper said seats on the council were distributed in proportion to the concentrations of Mexican nationals living in the U.S. Members were not chosen by election; they were selected by Mexico's consulates.

Also, the council itself will be chaired by Mexican President Vicente Fox and will feature representatives from Mexico's government ministries. Vizcarra said the representatives will serve as contacts for solving problems.

Glenn Spencer, an immigration reform activist, said he believes the council is a veiled attempt by Mexico to increase its power and influence in the U.S. He has called the new committee a "colonization council" and its members "Mexican agents."

He also linked the formation of the council to ongoing efforts by Mexico to establish a system in which Mexican nationals residing in the U.S. can cast absentee ballots in Mexican elections.

Currently, the Arizona Daily Star reported, the Mexican congress is considering proposals that would grant those voting rights. Mexican lawmakers are also considering a bill that would form a Mexican congressional district encompassing the entire United States.

U.S. Census Bureau figures estimate that 5 million Mexican-born U.S. residents are in the country legally, compared to about 4.5 million who reside here illegally.

Poverty and joblessness south of the border drives much of the illegal immigration to the United States, but a Mexican government report said earlier this year that even if the Mexican economy were to blossom, massive illegal immigration is still "inevitable."

"The migratory phenomenon between Mexico and the United states is structural and permanent," said a study by Mexico's National Population Council, a ministry of the Interior agency.

The report, entitled, "Migration: Mexico-United States," says regardless of improvements to Mexico's economy, by 2030 the Mexican-born U.S. population will at least double to 16 million to 18 million.

"Diverse factors such as geographic proximity, the asymmetrical and growing economic integration and intense relations and exchanges between both countries make the creation of migratory flow inevitable," said the report.

The report was published a year ago but ignored in the U.S. until David Simcox, board chairman of the nonprofit Center for Immigration Studies, produced an analysis and summary of the document for the Washington Times in March.

Prominent U.S. demographers who study Mexican immigration tended to agree with its general observations, the Times said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bypassing; immigrantlist; liars; mexico; theives
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1 posted on 12/27/2002 3:39:01 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
to "voice the concerns of the Mexicans who are here" in the U.S

The only concerns we care about are how to get them all out of here.

2 posted on 12/27/2002 3:49:39 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
Who are the 100 "agents"?
3 posted on 12/27/2002 3:56:40 PM PST by thepitts
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To: Nachum
Now our hospitals and schools have a place to send their unpaid bills. An enterprising conservative lawyer could make a fortune with RICO lawsuits with these groups. Because they assist people in committing crimes, they are an organized criminal organization.
4 posted on 12/27/2002 3:59:27 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Nachum
mexico establishes 100-member single chamber government in the us...
5 posted on 12/27/2002 4:08:28 PM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: Sungirl
They allow Mexicans living in the US to vote in the Mexican elections...why do you think you have heard so much posturing lately?
6 posted on 12/27/2002 4:10:29 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Sungirl
Illegals only? Or all of them?
7 posted on 12/27/2002 4:11:14 PM PST by The Coopster
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To: Nachum
Wait a second, you still want to vote in Mexico's elections, you want to take advantages of our public schools and medical programs, you don't pay anything into the tax base, and you're here illegally?

You are the weakest link! Good-bye.

See, if we had a national sales tax, then everyone would have to pay. Not that that would make illegal immigration OK, but at least illegals would be covering some of their costs.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas.

Best Regards

Sergio
8 posted on 12/27/2002 4:18:22 PM PST by Sergio
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To: Nachum
"The Mexican government has formed a 100-member council in the United States......"

Wonder if Maxine will let them join the Congressional Black Caucus?

9 posted on 12/27/2002 4:25:35 PM PST by jmax
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To: Nachum
As the Associated Press reported, the appointment of these US citizens is the result of a conflict between Juan Hernandez who has here-to-fore been the director of the Office of Migrant Affairs, and Jorge Castenada who is the Mexican Foreign Secretary. It should be noted that last summer when Hernandez got fired, it was reported in the US media and also covered by the anti-immigration orgs.

While many will see this as significant for the US, that remains to be seen. It is undoubtedly significant in Mexico.

Hernandez is US born(Fort Worth), introduced Fox and Bush, and was instrumental in bringing Fox to the forefront while he was governer. He is also the one that convinced Fox to hire Dick Morris to assist the presidential campaign.

As director of Migrant Affairs, Hernandez has traveled extensively thru-out the US doing what will now be done by these committee members in their local areas. He was likely not one to follow protocol and infuriated Castenada.

Castenada is a member of the PRD Socialist Party, was wildly popular as mayor of Mexico City and supported Fox for president. This support undoubtedly helped Fox in his election. It also helped that Castenada had prosecuted several members of PRI on corruption charges and likely funneled info on PRI corruption into the Fox campaign. Fox's main campaign theme was to paint PRI as corrupt(and they are).

Instead of seeing the appointment of this committee as something ominous for the US, it should be considered that by caving in to Castenada, Fox is looking for PRD assistance in getting his agenda(energy sector reforms) thru the PRI controlled Congress.

10 posted on 12/27/2002 4:35:22 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: thepitts
I think we should pay close attention to who these foreign agents are ---if their loyalties are to that very corrupt government which has no intention to ever improve conditions in that country, then we need to realize they are traitors to the US.
11 posted on 12/27/2002 4:35:31 PM PST by FITZ
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To: The Coopster
Illegals, welfare collectors and criminals.
12 posted on 12/27/2002 4:38:44 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Ben Ficklin
If Fox intends to ever do any good, he needs to quit worrying about Mexicans in the US and start doing something about their conditions in Mexico ----Salinas de Gortari (the guy with the murdered brother-in-law) has high praise for Fox. I think the real reason Fox doesn't want to let go of Mexicans in the US is he smells money.
13 posted on 12/27/2002 4:40:02 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Nachum
Don't expect George W. to do anything about this. He's too busy extending Social Security to this group.
14 posted on 12/27/2002 4:40:49 PM PST by Seti 1
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To: Seti 1
Has Fox's government done anything about the money that was stolen from the Bracero's retirement accounts by their own government?
15 posted on 12/27/2002 4:43:34 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jmax
Wonder if Maxine will let them join the Congressional Black Caucus?

I don't believe she sill need to, I expect Arizona congressman elect Raul Grijalva to start a Congressional Hispanic Caucus. This guy makes Maxine look conservative.

16 posted on 12/27/2002 4:53:29 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: Seti 1; FITZ
Funny that you would bring up the Braceros' money. Just as the courts ruled in favor of the braceros, were the social security issue to reach the courts, that ruling would be in favor of the mexicans. An unknown liability such as that would be a deal breaker for anyone trying to privatize social security

Just incase you didn't know, Fox doesn't have the authority to appropriate money.

17 posted on 12/27/2002 4:53:39 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
I guess that's why Fox has so much authority in the US, he can demand complete access to all our jobs and welfare benefits, he can demand his citizens get in on US Social Security programs, he seems to have no authority in Mexico where he was elected. That money was sent by US banks to Mexican banks for the braceros --10% of their salaries, and it was stolen in Mexico ---yet the US was supposed to make up the losses. Strange.
18 posted on 12/27/2002 4:59:40 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
You are exactly correct. The money was stolen long ago by the PRI. The PRI controls congress and they will have to appropriate the money. For you to try to pin that on Fox is absurd.
19 posted on 12/27/2002 5:03:56 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Fox is looking for PRD assistance in getting his agenda

Fox isn't a very bright man ---the PRD is gaining influence, if Fox wants PAN to have a chance in the elections, he'd better get to work doing something for his people in their own country ---he's likely to cause PAN to lose future elections to PRD. That seems to be the only party that offers much of anything to the average person ---at least the one that doesn't want to be someone's humble gardener or cleaner of toilets in the US.

20 posted on 12/27/2002 5:04:59 PM PST by FITZ
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