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To: LdSentinal; SamAdams76
Sorry, both of you are wrong.
Many people here believe, that the Treaty of Versailles was the root of 01/30/1933. The Treaty was too brutal for the weak economy in Germany. Hitler was mostly elected by unemployed, workers, simple people. Eisenhower and Marshal have learned from that Treaty, they wanted a Germany which became voluntary a friend of the Allies - and they got it. The day the US bombers threw food on Berlin was the day the US has won a new ally.

Not oppressing, but helping the defeated enemy was the right way - and this is what we do today in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and what we will do in Iraq. Showing strength until the enemy is weak - and then rebuild it with your ideas but make sure that the defeated accept it.

The Versailles Treaty was the worst peace treaty in worlds history. Germany lost one third of its territory (even with German ethnic majority), it had to pay 5 billions Goldmark p.a. until 1989 (70 years, the paying stopped in the 20´s), it had to deliver coal to France and to give up the Saar area for 15 years ... to name the important facts of that "treaty".

Michael

P.S.: WWII started in 1937 in the South-Pacific-region.

42 posted on 12/27/2002 1:45:13 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
You make some good points and I agree that the money part of the Versailles treaty was unreasonable. The Germans ended up borrowing the money from the U.S. and got so deep in debt that the Weimar Republic was eventually brought down due to hyperinflation.

However, where the Allies went wrong was not enforcing the disarmament side of the treaty. They continued to allow the Germans to build bigger and bigger ships in violation of the treaty and to build an air force, which was also forbidden. Then they allowed the Germans to begin reoccupying the Rhine and other areas.

They had it backwards. They should have forgiven the monetary part of it and enforced the more important disarmament parts of the treaty.

The U.S. did a great thing after WW2. They were kind to Germany and Japan after the war and they ended up not only emulating our way of life but became the second and third largest economies in the world in the process.

46 posted on 12/27/2002 1:54:15 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Michael81Dus
The seed for WWII was the fact that no one unconditionally surrendered. Instead the diplomats negotiated a peace treaty.

The war to end wars is the war that ends all enemies.

Pan-Islam's war began against the USA in Tehran during Mr. Jimmy's bad year of 1979. The state sponsored fig leaf war began at the Beirut Marine Barracks on Reagan's watch when we retreated leaving Iran to celebrate our 241 dead. This Pan-Islamic War of Annihilation began 9/11/2001.

Unless we want our children's children to be fighting and dying over this same Allah uaaakkk barf mess, we must vanquish our foe. The dead must greatly outnumber the living or the job is unfinished. Muslim surviviors must live through their well deserved Hell on earth for their jihad celebrations over the mass murder of innocents. If devout mothers, fathers, and siblings are so thrilled to send their children wearing bomb belts to "paradise", then entire muslim families will be obliterated along with their hate breeding communities.

Muslims have established these rules of engagement. They should die by these ROE because they will surely continue killing by them. PRC facists should take notice as they dream of the Pacific Ocean as the Greater China Sea.
147 posted on 12/27/2002 10:14:46 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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