Engineering Grad Looking for work -- Where are the Jobs???

Engineering Discussion Board 12-27-2002 ^ | FR Post Christmas 2002 | Various

[Johnny Crab]

Methinks you may be correct. Are these "gov-scale" pay? That makes some engr's act like you want them to work at McDonalds.....too proud to work???

No "job" is forever...I'm EE with 14 years exp. and am looking at a possible "downsize-for-outsource" move where I'm employed. I do remember working 3 jobs and cleaning toliets at night BEFORE I went back to college so I KNOW I can handle whatever I MUST do to feed my family....

[Stavka2]

Ok, let me explain something to you very, very , very slowly. Ok, ready? Here we go. I was making an analogy to the military doing the same thing as corporations to prove a point NOT because I was actually advocating mercenaries...we can understand this, yes? As for corporations, it means a lot when the inherent knowledge base jumps ship and goes to greener pastures, or worse the technology goes overseas.

[TheEngineer]

Great analogy.

Just a note to let you know that your analogy was not lost on everyone. Also, you gave a few posters a chance to expose their double standards. ;-)

[TheEngineer]

First off, I do not believe that a JAVA programmer should be making 100K a year.

And does that make you "the diviner of how much each profession should get paid"? How much is a worker worth? I would say, "as much as they are getting paid". That's Capitalism 101.

I'm opposed to the way the H1B visa situation was concocted, because I don't think it treats the visa holders fairly. I have no problem with them being here. I went to school with plenty of foreign guys in engineering school. Some of them were my best friends, and many of them became H1B workers upon graduation... And they got treated to a sub-average salaries and treatment until they became permanent residents. Also, if an H1B visa holder is fired from a job, he will almost always face immediate deportation. Not true for a citizen worker. This is not equal competition.

This distortion of capitalism could be fixed by giving all of these guest workers permanent residency immediately... essentially rights on a par with citizen workers. Then, if they can win jobs away from Americans, at least it will be a fair competition.

If the H1B visa situation was not a distortion of capitalism, then you wouldn't see: 1. the big jump in their salaries after receiving permanent residency (received after ~5 years) and 2. the former H1B workers quitting their indentured servitude jobs after receiving permanent residency.