[wideawake]

I'm sure Timothy McVeigh felt the same way.

Uh-huh. And if Timothy McVeigh could show me where the Founding Fathers included blowing a few dozen children to smithereens in a sneak bombing as armed resistance to tyranny, he'd win a prize.

The Anti-Federalist is even more Confederate by its nature. I'm just pointing out that the Federalist more closely resembles the Confederacy than our current system.

No Confederate would have bothered to pick up a rifle if he didn't want to be part of a violent rebellion against the Constitution of the United States. I believe that's called treason.

The Confederates believed that the Union was violating the Constitution. They believed that they were rebelling against tyrants on behalf of the Constitutional principles of the Founding Fathers.

I believe the British Parliament called the American War of Independence treason as well. And it was. And thank God for it.

[Your Nightmare]

My point was that just because somebody believes something, it doesn't make it true. Even though the Confederates "believed that the Union was violating the Constitution" doesn't make it true. And because they thought "they were rebelling against tyrants on behalf of the Constitutional principles of the Founding Fathers" doesn't make that true either.

[Cogadh na Sith]

At this point, you can no longer wrap yourselves in the garb of the founding father's--it would be more appropriate to wrap your head in a kaffiya... as the Palestinians of America.

[judicial meanz]

As a Virginian who lives in the Richmond suburbs, I see this all the time. Its either blacks Vs the SCV, or North VS South, or the city council ( all Demonrats) Vs the people. Its the Democratic balkanization principle come home to roost.
The crime is epidemic ( one of the most dangerous cities in America) the economy of Richmond is down the stool, and the corruption of the elected officials is epidemic.

As for Virginians, it is a question of heritage. I have 9 ancestors lying in repose in Hollywood cemetary who died at Gettysburg. They were Americans, and thought they were doing right, but history now judges different. In our politically correct society, they are now right next to war criminals in our societal list. They only fought for thier homes and wives.

They really were not that complicated, or diabolical. They didnt own slaves, nor did they want to. Our family values hard work and independence. We take pride in the helping hand at the end of our wrist.

We got over it in my family. We went on to fight in the other wars of our nation, and other family members of mine died in them as well. They are remembered with honor.

All the man in my family hav served in all of our nations wars, and always will. I have done 24 years so far, and still going. I dont have any problems being a part of the United States, and I would die for my country in a half second if it was needed to keep this country free. ( well, maybe not for Democrats, but for you guys I would)

Bedford, Virginia lost nearly all its young men on D-Day, June 6, 1944. Bedford is home to the D-Day memorial because of the sacrifice of that small community.

Virginia has always contributed to the nation in manpower and blood in our wars. We always will. its not about Abraham Lincoln ( he was a great president and great man, its about Democrat divisive politics and trying to force point of views down the throats of people.

There is an old saying in Virginia: As Virginia goes, the nation goes. This Richmond debacle is more about the politics of racial division than it is poor old Abe Lincoln.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The Confederates believed that the Union was violating the Constitution.

The Supreme Court ruled in 1862 that the "so-called Confederate states" to use the court's phrase), were violating the Constitution.

Walt