[mewzilla]

There are engineers, and there are engineers...Most of the new ones I've met don't impress me as much as the older ones I've known, for a variety of reasons. Work ethic chief among them. And engineering schools don't seems to be what they used to be, either. Cranking out too many people who couldn't find their heinies with an inch-thick stack of drawings.

[oldvike]

There are engineers, and there are engineers

Well, in civil engineering there is NO more engineering, only "cutting and pasting" to make a set of substandard plans. It's not the engineers' fault....that's just the nature of the beast now-a-days.