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Growing dissatisfaction among career engineers
The Raleigh News & Observer ^ | Thursday, December 26, 2002 | TERRY COSTLOW, CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR

Posted on 12/26/2002 2:03:20 PM PST by Willie Green

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CHICAGO (CSM) - Paul Porter is closing the door on his engineering career - even though he's only 29. In recent weeks, his wife and five close colleagues were added to the more than 50,000 employees axed by his employer, Nortel Networks. That was the catalyst that prompted the New York native, already disgruntled with his choice of profession, to look into attending either business or law school.

"I spent seven years in school, and it resulted in a six-year career," says Porter, who feels his master's degree in engineering is little more than "a base."

It's a pattern that's recurring with surprising, and disturbing, frequency in a profession long known for job security.

Dissatisfaction with the field is growing rapidly. Layoffs, the influx of foreign workers, and offshore outsourcing of jobs have caused the pocket-protector set to either leave the profession in large numbers or seek new careers after being laid off.

And if that isn't enough to make engineers' neckties curl in Dilbert-style desperation, there's the nature of the work itself. In an era when high-tech gear becomes obsolete almost as fast as dairy products, many in the field feel they must advance at a steady pace or risk being cast aside.

It's a far cry from the era when engineering skills were a ticket to a lifelong salary and, some say, it raises questions about America's ability to remain at the forefront of technology.

"For people who view this as a career, engineering is in worse shape now than it's been in years," says LeEarl Bryant, president of the Institute of Electronic and Electronic Engineers, which represents 235,000 professional members.

The downturn in the profession has taken many by surprise. In the '80s many felt there was an engineering shortage in the United States to compete with Japan's dominance of technology markets. Then, the commercialization of the Internet created a hiring frenzy in which high-tech corporations gave huge bonuses to new hires and the employees who referred them. The IEEE-USA reports that such bonuses pushed the median salary for its members to $93,100 at the peak of the dot-com era.

But all that changed with the dot-com bust and the recession. This year, for example, telecommunications and computer makers have already slashed nearly 400,000 workers - and that's down from last year's 500,000 layoffs - according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

Even Dilbert creator Scott Adams, himself a former engineer, has an eye on the trend. "The general balance of power has swung. Engineers had it for a while, now the bosses have it back," says Adams, whose comic-strip boss has hair shaped like a pair of horns on either side of his balding head.

Adding to the frustration of some engineers are the numbers of foreigners competing for jobs. In 2000, near the end of the high-tech boom, industry CEOs convinced Congress to nearly double the number of H-1B visas, allowing up to 195,000 skilled workers from India and elsewhere into the United States. Some engineers contend that those CEOs kept many of those H-1B workers while cutting higher-paid U.S. citizens.

"About 80,000 engineers were unemployed a few months ago. If you take out the H-1Bs who came in, you'd have jobs for all of them," the IEEE-USA's Bryant says. The organization is lobbying Congress to lower the number of H-1B visas issued.

But U.S. companies may continue to rely on foreign workers as the number of people entering the profession shows signs of decline. Demand for engineering courses is down in the United States, according to the National Science Foundation statistics. In 2000, there were just over 59,000 engineering graduates, compared to 63,000 students in 1996.

Not everyone is gloomy about prospects in the profession, however. "Salaries are up, and we're faring better (concerning layoffs) than many other professions," says Win Philips, chairman of the American Association of Engineering Societies.

Many engineers are facing a challenge of a different sort. Graying engineers who have decades of work experience are as rare as a black and white television. Even those under 40 are often considered old: A computer-science professor in California has statistics to show that programmers have careers not much longer than pro-football players.

"The half-life of engineering knowledge, the time it takes for something to become obsolete, is from 7 to 2 1/2 years. Lifelong learning is critical in this profession," says William Wulf, president of the National Academy of Engineering. Still, he says, engineering is "an incredibly exciting and rewarding profession."


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To: Willie Green
Stop 401-b visas
21 posted on 12/26/2002 2:43:02 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
Er, H-1b visas. They are eating into my 401-k's growth.
22 posted on 12/26/2002 2:44:02 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: Willie Green
(Yuk Yuk full sarcasm mode on now) No amount of schooling can turn you into a human being! (Yuk Yuk full sarcasm mode off now)

Seriously, the term engineer was stretched to limits of creditability that were unexplored prior to the dot com boom. An Engineer friend of mine refers to the majority of the dot com'ers as frauds, carpet baggers and make believe artists. I have to agree with him.

What was passing for telecommunications in the dot com boom had little to do with traditional telecom. And just because a company calls themselves a telecom firm does not mean a thing. Come see me after you learn what operating profit means.

I was always amazed at the Engineers in the firms I worked for taking such lousy pay in exchange for the fantasy of "stability". Only an educated idiot could convince themselves of that argument, but I found that engineers routinely did in the Fortune 50's that I worked for and with.

Still, just like great sales professionals, there is always work for a truly skilled and seasoned engineer. I do feel sorry for some of the folks who graduated (professionally) into the Dot Com boom. They would have to view any afterlife as a let down and their own sense of self may never have been tested in the professional market since anyone can do nothing with enough money!

As the frauds, carpet baggers and make believe artists fade into the background of the employment landscape (capitalism at its finest) then the employment landscape will take on more regular proportions.
23 posted on 12/26/2002 2:44:34 PM PST by Pylot
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To: Willie Green
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I am a 44 year old Engineer. I have three degrees. Mechanical, Aerospace and Electrical. I am a member of Who's Who, both Lexington and Stratfords. I hold a number of patents.

I am unemployed.

For the last 20 years, (I graduated BSME from Syracuse University in 1981) I was laid off 15 times.

I left Engineering. I advise anyone getting a degree in Engineering to change careers, and I am very bitter about my experiences. To all those who think that I am wrong...well all I can say is Psweeeeettt! to you!

What is the worth of a four year degree that is obsolete within two years? What is the worth of a position that causes you to relocate every three? What is the worth of one that requires medication to succeed?

If I knew now what I knew back then...Boy would things be different....

I guess everyone kind of feels that way some time.

My advice to youngins'... follow your heart and not your wallet. Who cares if you get a job or not if you get out. There is not a free lunch, and when you sip from that mug of coffee, you might find that someone has slapped the chains of bondage to your soul and any resistance would be squelched by the cloak of scoff.








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24 posted on 12/26/2002 2:44:52 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Willie Green; dighton
WARNING ... WARNING ... do not read further if you are not able to handle coarse poetry ... WARNING ... WARNING

Speaking of Engineers, here's a poem that I found in a science fiction short story anthology, although it probably was more oriented toward Combat Engineers than the "white-collar" engineers described in this article.

The Engineers have hairy ears,
They go without their britches,
They pop their cocks with jagged rocks,
They're hardy sons of bitches.

They screw the whores right through their drawers,
They do not care for trifles --
They hang their balls upon the walls
And shoot at them with rifles.

Much joy they reap by diddling sheep
In divers nooks and ditches;
Nor give they a damn if they be rams --
They're hardy sons of bitches.

25 posted on 12/26/2002 2:48:46 PM PST by BlueLancer
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To: Willie Green
There are engineers, and there are engineers...Most of the new ones I've met don't impress me as much as the older ones I've known, for a variety of reasons. Work ethic chief among them. And engineering schools don't seems to be what they used to be, either. Cranking out too many people who couldn't find their heinies with an inch-thick stack of drawings.
26 posted on 12/26/2002 2:50:09 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Willie Green
Even those under 40 are often considered old: A computer-science professor in California has statistics to show that programmers have careers not much longer than pro-football players.

Few programmers deserve the title of "engineer" in the classic sense. They are people who are educated in the use of whatever tool (computer and computer language) is the current "hot" technology. Computer technology moves fast, and it is much easier for companies to hire new graduates than to try to re-train their obsolete staff.
Anyone who wants to be a programmer should realize that they need to be constantly in school - on their own money and time - or practice the phrase "Do you want fries with that?"

27 posted on 12/26/2002 2:50:17 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Thebaddog
>The engineers that work for me are all control freaks with a superiority complex. And the bosses do need to be in control whatever Dilbert thinks.


28 posted on 12/26/2002 2:53:20 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: RightWhale
Engineers can expect to be pounding the pavement looking for work at some point.

Agreed. They ought not get too attached to a given geographic area nowadays, either... In order to get a job, you often *must* move.

(From someone who was very nearly homeless as a result of *refusing* to leave Alaska, but overqualified for every non-industrial job he sought during a three-year drought.)

29 posted on 12/26/2002 2:54:30 PM PST by Anchoragite
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To: El Sordo
I'm an engineer, and the key to staying employed is the same as it is in any profession. Make yourself unique, think forward, and stay necessary.
31 posted on 12/26/2002 2:59:42 PM PST by ALS
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To: jimt
Many of the "engineers" discussed are in reality programmers.

I agree. True engineering skills are seldom subject to obsolescence and are only enhanced by experience.

32 posted on 12/26/2002 3:01:34 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
This guy loses his first job and he thinks he's all washed up in engineering? If that's his level of committment, then maybe he is better of lookng for another profession. I've been at the engineering game for mumbly years, and I've never regretted a minute of it. I get as much work now as I ever have.
33 posted on 12/26/2002 3:04:28 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: jimt
I work in the power industry, and we have trouble attracting young engineers. Mechanical and electrical are still in high demand. The "computer" engineers are not, as people trained in other areas can quickly learn to do company required computer tasks, including programming.
34 posted on 12/26/2002 3:04:50 PM PST by Timmy
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To: Willie Green
Young enginerd bump.
35 posted on 12/26/2002 3:05:44 PM PST by k2blader
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To: mewzilla
There are engineers, and there are engineers

Well, in civil engineering there is NO more engineering, only "cutting and pasting" to make a set of substandard plans. It's not the engineers' fault....that's just the nature of the beast now-a-days.

36 posted on 12/26/2002 3:10:29 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Willie Green
I've never met an engineer who was satisfied with anything in life.
37 posted on 12/26/2002 3:12:16 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
I've never met an engineer who was satisfied with anything in life.

It's called "continuous improvement".

38 posted on 12/26/2002 3:14:11 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Digger
You said...."Just what we need---more lawyers."

I say......"Yes......more lawyers to ENGINEER our downfall..."

39 posted on 12/26/2002 3:19:43 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: Willie Green
True engineering skills are seldom subject to obsolescence and are only enhanced by experience.

Exactly true.

And experience almost always provides the opportunity for practicing engineers to upgrade their skills. Heck, they're the ones usually upgrading the state of the art !

But the poor graduates now are being pushed out of schools without a grasp of the fundamentals. They're being educated in what's trendy, and that can change overnight.

The disservice being done to these folks makes my blood boil.

40 posted on 12/26/2002 3:22:32 PM PST by jimt
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