Yes, Lincoln, Yes, Here - Historical Society Plans Lincoln Statue in Richmond Virginia

Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | Dec. 26, 2002 | Steve Clark

[PistolPaknMama]

To GOPyouth:

I appreciate your posting to me, however, I did not write what you responded to. You meant to respond to post #6, posted by Marobe. My post was #13.

I do agree with post #6, however.

[Petronski]

I bet the rebs will vandalize this one repeatedly.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

I bet the rebs will vandalize this one repeatedly.

No doubt they will; children often misbehave when faced with their own inadequacies.

[berserker]

You would think Abe is on enough items. Do you think so?

Do we need additional reminders?

Nearly every monetary transaction bears his face.

Does everyone carry extra fives around in their wallet, just to remember his face?

Is this the money that Dick Chaney promised when he said we would have money that we could be proud of?

Perhaps we do need a statue, just to remind those in Richmond that Lincoln once visited the Viginian city.

Otherwise, the citizens of Richmond might forget Mr. Lincoln's visit, and he might fade into history.

And we can't let that happen.

After all, we might not get a five dollar bill in change today to remind us of Lincoln.

And that would be bad.

So maybe we need a statue.

In Richmond.

[putupon]

I bet the rebs will vandalize this one repeatedly

It's always great for a laugh when some self righteous yankee attempts to make comments about the south, of which they have absolutley no knowledge.

In Richmond we have a statue of Arthur Ashe, which has never been vandalized to knowledge, even though it was erected after much controversy right at the start of a long line older early 20th century erected Confederate Generals, an Admiral, and Jefferson Davis.http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/visitor/monuments_memorials.aspThe powers that be insisted it be located there at a transparent attempt of race baiting, even though it is totally out of context in both subject matter, time, and surrounding architecture. The statue is such an artistic abomination and blatant effort to generate controversy, that Arthur Ashe's family refused to attend it's unveiling. There was a very appropiate and prominate location right in front of the tennis courts that was whites only when he was a kid, but wouldn't have stirred up any trouble and therefore useless to the City's rulers. (It woudn't have helped it's artistic merit though since it looks like he's trying to beat some kids in the head with his tennis racket).http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/visitor/arthurashe.asp.

The only vandalizm of anyone civil war related was a year or two ago they torched a large cloth mural with the image of Robert E. Lee on it which was hung on the flood wall for the opening of the new canal walk. They tried one with the General in civilian clothes, but that was torched too.

Contrary to popular belief, there are only around 50 or so rebels left in the city which are kept confined in a confederate ghetto called Oregon Hill, and no known Republicans. If Abe is erected, he will be the first Republican back since 1972 when the Reconstruction Judge Merhige legislated mandatory school busing in order to bring the only two halfway decent public high schools down to the substandard level of the other five or six, and the last of them left.

If anyone were found vandalizing a monument of good 'ol Abe, I'm sure he would find himself locked up in the custody of Sheriff Michelle Mitchell, a perfect example of the City's reconstructed leadership, who would promptly steal any cash which they may have when locked up and embezzele the three dollars a minute collect call for help out money generated.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/810319/posts

Vandalizing a statue of Abe Lincoln inside the city limits of Richmond, Virginia, the Capital City of the ONLY STATE IN THE UNION TO EVER ELECT A BLACK GOVENOR, would be good for only an attempt at a sucessful suicide.

[nanny]

Oh, now you have 'gone and done it'. We will be treated to postings of reams of excerpts from books showing what a veritible God Lincoln was. I am surprised he could have been killed with a regular bullet -

[Petronski]

We shall see.

[SAMWolf]

Think we'll see a statue of Robert E. Lee in New York?

[Sparta]

Yeah Lee will get his statue in New York. When we have a white Christmas here in Louisiana.

[Sparta]

ping!!!!

[MeekOneGOP]

The article link has a picture of the proposed statue.

Here it is.....

This is a model of a bronze statue
commemorating Abraham Lincoln's
1865 visit to Richmond with his son,
Tad. (HISTORICAL SOCIETY)

[MeekOneGOP]

Here is the Dallas Morning News A/P version, just fyi.....

Plan to unveil Lincoln statue irks Sons of Confederate Veterans

12/27/2002

Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. - Abraham Lincoln, who visited the seat of the Confederacy soon after Southern forces abandoned the city in flames in April 1865, is returning to the capital, much to the chagrin of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

A bronze statue of the Civil War president and his youngest child, Tad, will be unveiled April 5, the 138th anniversary of Lincoln's only visit to Richmond.

The statue shows Lincoln sitting on a bench with his right arm around his 12-year-old son, who gazes at his father's face. It was commissioned by the U.S. Historical Society, which works on behalf of museums, educational institutions and foundations on projects with historic significance and artistic value.

"Here is a national hero, a small boy, and a beautiful city by the James River, all united again," said Robert Kline, chairman of the society. "This time Lincoln's in Richmond for all time."

The Sons of Confederate Veterans view the statue as "a slap in the face of a lot of brave men and women who went through four years of unbelievable hell fighting an invasion of Virginia led by President Lincoln," Brag Bowling, the group's Virginia commander, said Thursday.

Richmond, home to towering statues of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart and other Confederate leaders, was attacked by the Union forces of Gen. Ulysses S. Grant on April 2, 1865. Lee and Confederate President Jefferson Davis fled the city. Confederate soldiers set fire to Richmond's warehouses and arsenals to deny the supplies to the federals.

On April 4, Lincoln and Tad traveled to Richmond from Union military headquarters nearby.

With Richmond still smoldering, Lincoln, wearing his signature black silk top hat, and Tad walked to the White House of the Confederacy. The war ended five days later when Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House. Lincoln was assassinated in Washington, D.C., 10 days after he visited Richmond.

The life-size statue of Lincoln and Tad by sculptor David Frech will show the two seated on a bench against a plain granite wall. The words "To Bind Up The Nation's Wounds" will be etched into a granite capstone.

The historical society will donate the statue to the Civil War Visitor Center of the National Park Service. The center is on the site of Tredegar Iron Works, a major supplier of munitions to the Confederate army. The statue will be placed outdoors on a hillside overlooking the James River.

Elaine Mancini, spokeswoman for the historical society, said the cost of the statue had not been determined. The society will cover the cost and is raising money by selling solid bronze miniatures of the statue, she said.

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Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/nation/stories/122702dnnatlincoln.9e63.html

[putupon]

Thank you for sharing this account as was recorded by the authors, who's record you choose to accept.

Exactly. In addition to the Richmond Examiner, there was also the Richmond Whig. What ever one would say, the other would disagree with as a matter of principle. If I remember correctly from my "Sectionalism and the Civil War" class of 25 years ago, taught by the esteemed Dr. Daniel Jordan (now President of the Thomas Jefferson Foundation which runs Monticello) http://www.monticello.org/tjf/jordan.html, the owners of the newspapers had an extreme personal animosity for each other that existed long before the start of the war. Anything quoted from one paper is more than likely just a personal attack of one individual against another. An opinion from today's Washington Post or New York Times has about as much credibility.

One of the greatest revisionist historian lies propogated by Lincoln worshippers is that he freed the slaves with the Emancipation Proclomation. The reality is that it freed only the slaves in captured southern territories and was issued only for inflicting economic damage on the South. The yankee slave holders in Maryland, Kentucky, etc. still held their slaves until the end of the war and were free to whip them whenever the mood struck (no pun intended) .

The fact that yankees have some sort instinct to meddle in other's affairs had as much to do with why the the Southern States succeeded. The slave holders were a small minority in the south. A slave holder with twenty or more slaves could get an exemption from military service for the same economic reason that Lincoln freed them. This did not sit well with the enlisted personnel who volunteered to fight. This people were dirt poor and slavery was no issue to them one way or the other. They fought and died because they believed the yankees had no right to invade, no matter the reason. The Commonwealth of Virginia did not suceed untill Lincoln said he was going to send Federal troops across it's territory on the way to quell the rebellion in South Carolina.

The yankee meddling continues to this day with the Northeastern Liberal Elitists attempting to make all fifty states a clone of Massachusetts, complete with a Kennedy in every govenors mansion and ram unrequested and unwanted Federal crapolla like a Lincoln Statue down people's throats.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The slave holders were a small minority in the south.

Slave ownership devolved on 1/3 of white southerners and 1/2 in MS, LA and SC. There were more slave owners in the south than there were real property owners in the north.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

The Sons of Confederate Veterans view the statue as "a slap in the face of a lot of brave men and women who went through four years of unbelievable hell fighting an invasion of Virginia led by President Lincoln," Brag Bowling, the group's Virginia commander, said Thursday.

The Atlanta paper ran the same story.

I thought the SCV's deal was 'heritage, not hate'?

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Are they going to pose a lincoln talking out of both sides of his mouth?

Why don't you show that in the record?

"...Had he failed to to insist on abolition as a condition for peace negotiations, he explained, he would be guilty of treachery to the hundreds of thousands of African-Americans who had 'come bodily over from the rebel side to ours.' Such betrayal could not 'escape the curses of Heaven, or of any good man.' Apart from the moral issue, there was the practical consideration that without "the physical force which the colored people now give, and promise us,...neither the present, nor any coming administration, [can] save the Union."

"But now, if he followed their advice, he would have to do without the help of nearly 200,000 black men in the service of the Union. In that case 'we would be compelled to abandon the war in 3 weeks.' Practical considerations aside, there was the moral issue. How could anybody propose 'to return to slavery the black warriors of Port Hudson and Olustee to their masters to conciliate the South?' "I should be damned in time and eternity for so doing,' he told his visitors (Gov. Randall, and Judge Mills, both from Wisconsin). "The world will know that I keep my faith to friends and enemies, come what will.'"

In fact, Lincoln was scrupulously honest.

I guess what galls the neo-rebs most about having a statue of President Lincoln in Richmond is that when Lincoln visited Richmond, he was cheered by black slaves. That's a bad thing, right?

What makes President Lincoln's refusal to abandon emancipation in the summer of 1864 even more laudable is that he was personally convinced that he would lose the 1864 election, and the Republican Party managers urged him to abandon emancipation.

But he wouldn't do it.

Walt

[sheltonmac]

...And in a related story, Philadelphia will be erecting a statue of King George III.

[putupon]

Where did those numbers come from?