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To: boris
"Economic excesses?" Who decides? I presume you are referring, e.g., to SUVs. Shall we put Richard W. in charge of what kind of vehicles people get to drive?

Actually, I could care less about what type of vehicle people drive. I also have no problem with people living within the standard of living that they can afford. Unfortunity, our standard of living is based on consumerism and credit and our entire economy is dependent on the expansion of both. This false "wealth creation" leads to excesses. I have no debt and depend on the government for no handouts, therefor I live within my means.

You really do need to break the chains of your own linear thinking. You keep going back to the party line play book for things like SUV's and nonsense like that. In your own small mind, if someone questions a war with Iraq, they are against SUV's and need to be monks. You really are a silly person.

Richard W.

115 posted on 12/26/2002 6:29:56 AM PST by arete
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To: arete
"Actually, I could care less about what type of vehicle people drive. I also have no problem with people living within the standard of living that they can afford. Unfortunity, our standard of living is based on consumerism and credit and our entire economy is dependent on the expansion of both. This false "wealth creation" leads to excesses. I have no debt and depend on the government for no handouts, therefor I live within my means."

Where to begin?...Very well, please define "economic excess". Your claim that "our standard of living is based on consumerism and credit and our entire economy is dependent on the expansion of both" is not a definition of economic excess. How--precisely--did we become the wealthiest nation on Earth? By 'exploitation' of the poor Saudi princes? Or by 'exploitation' of Bolivian aluminum mines? The Bolivians are certainly pleased--they now have jobs and income from a resource they did not even imagine beneath their feet.

The alternative is precisely what? Which nation do you hold up as an exemplar--one which does not commit "economic excess"? Japan? Pfft. North Korea? They're eating tree bark and in some remote places, each other. Cuba? Have a cigar, comrade.

I here publicly offer you a first-class, one-way ticket to the nation of your choice--one without "economic excess"--on the sole condition that you agree never to return. I am completely serious and stand ready. Name your flight, destination, and time.

"This false wealth creation leads to excesses."

A merry game. You don't like my example of economic excess--using a popular target like SUVs, so I ask you to name three specific examples of what you consider "economic excess".

"You really do need to break the chains of your own linear thinking. You keep going back to the party line play book for things like SUV's and nonsense like that. In your own small mind, if someone questions a war with Iraq, they are against SUV's and need to be monks. You really are a silly person."

It is called reductio ad absurdum, and in this particular case, it is you who have been reductioed into absurdum.

And what you call "linear thinking" has another name. Most people call it "logic."

--Boris

153 posted on 12/26/2002 11:30:45 AM PST by boris
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