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To: tom h
"I will pray that you someday get over your anger -- yes, your biggest problem is that you are angry at everything -- and soften your heart.."

From 1st hand face-to-face experience with the gentleman, I can most certainly say that your response could not be further from the truth. It is, however, typical of today's evangelical/charismatic movement. The movement is doctrinally flawed because it confuses immediate impulse and reaction to momentary impression as evidence of the leading of the Holy Spirit. It posits that the new, virtual personality produced by group-think religious euphoria and thought reform is evidence of being "born again," and so is further doctrinally flawed.

Typically, these churches require us to reject the evidence of the senses and stop thinking. Anything critical of the church in question's doctrine or leadership is presumed to be evidence of Demonic oppression. This presumption of some malevolent, ulterior motive has now been extended to any criticism of the current President by conservatives.

As I have written elsewhere, personally, I avoid Church these days because I am wearied by evangelicals and charismatics who use the Bible as a totemic object and recite from it as if they were intoning magical incantations. I object to the idea that humans uttering words can manipulate the universe of time and matter. I resent preachers committing historical and other errors of fact and inferring that I am possessed by Satan for objecting to those errors. It has been my observation that people who rely on prayer and charismatic, euphoric, religious enthusiasm as decision making tools tend to screw up their lives and the lives of those around them.

In the affairs of this world, one is not saved by faith, rather, one is saved by its absence. The Apostolic Age and the miracles associated with that Age are over. God is no conjurer, pulling financial rabbits out of hats. Financial well-being is the result of sober minded serious effort and cold, calculating analysis. Charismatic, evangelical religion burns up money almost as fast as politics and cocaine does. One should pray for moral backbone and that one reflect well on one's faith, family, and country, but the relentless attempts to find the correct combination of words, Bible verses, tithes, and love offerings to make critical life decisions is delusional thinking and those who advocate it should be kept far away from impressionable adults and children.

97 posted on 12/25/2002 7:05:42 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
"I enjoy practicing literary torture on socialists, liberals, and libertines, so Free Republic is a practical necessity."

Mortimer, if you call your reply to me literary torture, you also believe that flipping the bird to an aggressive fellow in an SUV on the highway drives him to tears. In addition to being way off base, your prose is incoherent and could be rewritten effectively in about 3 sentences. Before engaging in further attempts to torture your enemies, invest in a writing class.

98 posted on 12/25/2002 11:00:58 AM PST by tom h
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