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To: sinkspur; RJCogburn
Well and truly stated, Sink. Bravo.

Cogburn, has it occurred to you yet that the usual higher mammalian studies to test these theories regarding embryonic stem cells has not been done? Has it yet occurred to you to ask why? Why would these research funds seeking scientist by-pass established procedures to leap directly onto human embryonic stem cells? Some, like long cut would argue that it's to bring the fastest cures to the populace, but that would be wrong, as the pharmaceutical industry and regulatory procedures in that healthcare industry prove so readily. It occurs to me that the sensationalism of the experimentation lends itself well to demands from the populace for procedures not yet establish, not proven to work, and speciously presented as miracle cures just over the horizon. When scientists want to experiement on human life, individual human life, they have to find some way to circumvent the taboos of the society. As long cut so clearly shows, the general populace will gladly ignore societal taboos if it has a personal gain to be made.

Human embryos are individual human lives, and merely one of the stages in a lifetime already begun that would run for decades barring unnatural interruption or unnatural manipulation. Embryonic stem cells are the body parts of an individual human life at the embryonic stage. exploiting for health and profit the body parts of individual humans is wrong on the face of it ... and long cut's defense of embryonic stem cell harvesting (by killing the individual life wherever it is found to be alive) by appealing to specious arguments regarding fetuses (as if fetuses have some ambiguity because they are not yet born and thus not constitutionally protected), citing vague 'need outweighs the individual right to life' only shows how well this heinous lie regarding these individual human embryonic lives has resonated.

To conceive many embryos and then use what one needs to get a woman pregnant, but store the rest as useless excess that is now suddenly found to be of research value hides the wrongness of experiementation on/with individual human life. Sadly, the arbitrariness of this exploitation of individual human life for the good of the many appears to escape too many and thus lends false 'rightness' to the exercise. Every individual human alive today had as one stage in their lifetime begun at conception the embryonic stage that these 'sientists' now clamor to exploit.

40 posted on 12/23/2002 4:25:42 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
usual higher mammalian studies to test these theories regarding embryonic stem cells has not been done

Something like this....?

Human stem cells transplanted into mice eventually developed into working, mouse-sized human kidneys, researchers report in a new study.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/811406/posts

49 posted on 12/23/2002 4:56:48 PM PST by RJCogburn
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