ANOTHER judge. Nice of you to pass sentence for the rest of us. Too bad you, like others here, lack the authority OR the basic right to do so.
I watched my uncle die. I wouldn't wish that on an enemy; in fact, on my enemies I only wish a quick death, that I might not share this Earth with them too long. The fact that YOU would wish it on ANYONE is telling.
"Wrong. Every embryo is human. What else could they be? Spinach? Sponges?"
Already covered previously. Not everyone agrees with you, and you cannot force them to. And the comparison is foolish, even if it makes a good bumper sticker.
"These embryos are dead babies -- nothing more, nothing less. They should be given Christian burial, not hacked to bits to provide spare parts for other people."
Excellent EMOTIONAL response. Now, how about a reasoned, logical one? BTW, how do you know they are Christian?
I asked R.J. Cogburn about the usual higher mammalian studies. R.J. cited research where HUMAN cells are implanted in mice, and there are also studies where HUMAN cells are implanted in swine. Those are not the non-human higher mammalian studies because they involve using human cells. The usual scientific regimen would involve studies in non-human higher mammalian species, before jumping to the human trials. That is not what these 'scientists' are seeking to do and seeking to have uninformed American citizens embrace ... because the potential for wealth and fame is supposed to be enormous if human embryos can be exploited in their pluripotent stage to grow organ cells.
So, what is the individual embryo conceived in an in vitro clinic? Well, the woman seeking to become pregnant isn't trying to birth a pig or mouse or ape, she's fully expecting that the 'thing' she will provide life support to is an individual human life, else she would be visiting a zoo, I would suppose, for her fertilization. Jump over that if you choose, but it establishes that the life of the embryos in the nitro tanks is individual human life. You appear ready to assign worthiness to that individual human life based on utility, since you want us to focus on the embryos that are destined to never be given further life support in a human body. The very same line of faulty reasoning may and is applied to the in utero individual human life --'it isn't going to be allowed to reach natural birth so it is fair game for exploitation for body parts'.
It might help for you to honestly tell everyone just when you think the individual life that IS implanted in a woman's body actually becomes a life worthy of support and protection. Oh, and when is that 'nascent' life to be considered a human being. That would give those interested in discussing this with you a fix on the individual continuum of life as you perceive it. [BTW, don't hold back, I and many others here are well qualified to understand any scientific quotes you wish to choose in your description, and I'll even translate such verbage into laymen's language if you wish. HINT: our next step in this discussion, after you give us a clear picture of your decided time frame for humanity and protection, is to then debate the merits of your chosen scientific position, but you might take into consideration that scientists will be cited, experts in their fields of genetics, obstetrics, and gynecology, researchers in stem cell utilization and exploitation. We use facts here at FR when we wish to be precise.]
ANOTHER judge. Nice of you to pass sentence for the rest of us. Too bad you, like others here, lack the authority OR the basic right to do so.
It's not me that judges such people. "Thou shalt not murder" is the decree of God, not of man. The idea of murdering a child in order to gain personal benefit was the basic tenet of the worshippers of Moloch, not the followers of the true God. If people wish to bargain with Moloch in return for longer life, that is their affair, but they should be prepared: when the bill comes due, the Almighty will collect every penny owed
. I watched my uncle die. I wouldn't wish that on an enemy;
I'm sorry about your uncle, but so what? I watched my saintly grandmother die a long, lingering death, too. Not once did she ever hint that we should go hack up an innocent baby to prevent that death. Suffering is not the worst thing a man can experience.
in fact, on my enemies I only wish a quick death, that I might not share this Earth with them too long. The fact that YOU would wish it on ANYONE is telling.
I don't wish death on anybody. But the FACT is that ALL OF US are going to die sooner or later, and if the price for a few months or years of extra life is the blood of innocent children then that price is too high.
"Wrong. Every embryo is human. What else could they be? Spinach? Sponges?"
Already covered previously.
Sez you.
Not everyone agrees with you, and you cannot force them to.
First: I don't care if anybody agrees with me or not. Matters of right and wrong are not subject to the popular will. Second: I cannot force people to do anything -- but the State can; indeed, that is the reason God institutes governments among men. And in time either the State will fulfil its duty to protect human life, or God will allow it to fall.
Believe it: Abortion will be illegal again someday, and with it the barbaric practice of growing children to order for the purpose of using their corpses for spare parts. And at that time the idea that all children are human will be forced upon people, at gunpoint if necessary.
And the comparison is foolish, even if it makes a good bumper sticker.
Thank you for sharing that unsupported opinion.
"These embryos are dead babies -- nothing more, nothing less. They should be given Christian burial, not hacked to bits to provide spare parts for other people."
Excellent EMOTIONAL response.
Thank you. Are you trying to imply that an emotional response is somehow inferior to a so-called "rational" response in every circumstance?
Now, how about a reasoned, logical one?
Very well:
1. The deliberate killing of an innocent human being is murder.
2. A baby is an innocent human being.
3. Therefore, the deliberate killing of a baby is murder. QED
BTW, how do you know they are Christian?
I don't. They cannot be, since they are unbaptized. However, Christ can through his infinite Grace save the souls of those human beings who have yet to commit sin, including those of aborted children. Since God is infinitely Just, we may rest assured that every human being will receive the eternal destiny they deserve; for our part, we may give the dead children the benefit of the doubt and allow them Christian burial.
As one who has the blood of aborted children on my own hands, I urge you to reconsider your beliefs on this issue -- for your own sake, if not theirs.