Posted on 12/23/2002 1:21:54 PM PST by Incorrigible
The "wishful thinking" is, alas, on your side of this issue.
Refer to my previous posts for the discussion of these embryos' alleged "humanity". To summarize, if they are 1. never to be implanted in a living woman; and 2. never to be birthed by any living woman; and 3. lack the capacity for such birth in any case, then they are not now, nor will they ever be, nor do they even have the POTENTIAL to be human.
To think otherwise is to operate soley on emotion without reason, and on flimsy emotional ground at that. As much as some may believe otherwise, these are not "babies".
In any event, I do not think you "evil" for your stance; just misguided. As you probably think me.
I agree. The biggest problem seems to be the people on both sides of this issue are "all or nothing" people.
Yup! See,you and I don't always disagree!(G) I'm with you 100% on this.
I think I'll have a drink to that one!
Oh, and a Merry Christmas to you!
No, they were created ofr the express purpose of killing them and harvesting their living cells. Creating life just to kill it is a crime in the first place.
...and in the second, no one wants them for that purpose.
The right to life is not predicated on being wanted.
Actually not. Religious or not, if you believe that the embryo's are human life, it would be unconscionable not to stand in the way.
I believe they are humans at that stage of humanity and as such I oppose the research becuase it destroys human life.
Under precisely what statute? And please, stick to U.S. laws, here. Biblical laws do not carry force of law in America. I understand that you BELIEVE they should, but that is not the issue. Many do not share this belief; they cannot be FORCED to.
"The right to life is not predicated on being wanted."
On what , then, IS it predicated? It nowhere exists in the Constitution, and it can in fact be ABROGATED according to that document. In fact, it is, every day, around the globe, and at various stages, both born and pre-born.
Something like this....?
Human stem cells transplanted into mice eventually developed into working, mouse-sized human kidneys, researchers report in a new study.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/811406/posts
Say what?
It could also SAVE lives, J. Even WITH your beliefs, you cannot ignore that fact, and in that case YOU TOO place yourself in judgement. You also do it based upon YOUR interpretation of your religion. Others have different, but equally valid, views. That's why the law, though influenced by old religious PRINCIPLES, reflects no ONE religion or set of beliefs.
Sure, but like Rooster, you assume that because something can be done it should be done. I disagree.
I think it's bad policy to take a life to save a life absent consent.
It has more to do with my humanity than my religion.
You feel differently. No problem. I think you're misguided, I don't think you're evil.
All these murders are to be condemned and those who condone them are likewise to be condemned.
The vast amount of killing the human race engages in, both intentionally and otherwise, of ALL AGES of people, pretty much shows how "sacred" life is to humans in general. Essentially, you DO have the Right To Life...so long as you can KEEP yourself alive.
A brutal reality, but one with which all life has lived with since the primordial ooze.
Have two,one for me. I quit drinking over 20 years ago,due to popular demand.
Oh, and a Merry Christmas to you!
And the same to you and yours.
Are you sure? You know all of that equality stuff that is in the Constitution? It's based on what's in the Bible. Without that Biblical grounding, you get ... well, guys like you, who have no basis for anything other than utilitarian morality.
And, of course, Biblical laws do carry force in a somewhat larger Jursdiction. It'd be stupid to ignore that fact.
Can I kill your two year old kid? He can't keep himself alive.
If you're reduced to the bizarre arguments in #54, you've lost.
You're advocating the law of the jungle.
You just declared open season on children and the elderly. Too much hyperbole there Long Cut.
By the way, take a peak at the 14th Amendment.
Not according to those who MAKE, VOTE ON, or JUDGE the law.
"Our life comes from God and not from the Constitution. "
If you hold this religious belief. Many do not, and should not be FORCED to.
"All these murders are to be condemned and those who condone them are likewise to be condemned."
Agreed. That will not stop them, however. That part of our nature will be with us until we cease to exist as a species, and it will continue with whatever replaces us. It is simply reality, and reality does not ASK if you like it or not...it only demands to be LIVED with. Like those with different beliefs, for instance.
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