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To: Luis Gonzalez
"...nuke Medina and Mecca. That would end their religion..."
That's an absurd statement.
Oh, no! I've just been ruled to be an absurdity! Whatever shall I do, being as I guard my statements so jealously and calculatingly, and get to the bottom line so immediately? Me, an absurdity? What a devastating blow to my self-esteem. This guy must be Plato or Einstein to have such overwhelming perspicacity as to rule my statement so absurd, so pontifically. I'd better watch my step around here with him out there to keep me straight when I get out of line, lest I ever again suffer so devastating a fate.

If someone nuked Washington DC, would that end the United States?
Uh, no. And therein lies an important difference. The United States has much substantial basis in objective thought and practice. Those pillars stand, very much independent of any icons. Islam, on the other hand, is a hyper-superstitious cult which thrives on its icons and implodes without them. So I don't like the analogy at all (notice I did not insult you by calling it absurd or fatuous or ignorant or misinformed or moronic -- nor should I, since I do not know you nor all the vagaries and permutations of what it was that you meant; plus, for all I know, you may be the world's leading expert on Islam and know things about it that I don't, having only made a mere 30-year study of it).

If someone nuked The Vatican, would that end Catholicism?
Uh, no. And therein lies the most significant difference. Again, I don't see the analogy. Catholicism, despite its minor dalliances with various icons, ultimately stands or falls on the Gospel, which is the Good News that the bad news of man's fallen condition has been remedied, for those who believe, by God's forgiving and loving heart and the power of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, His Son. Nuking the vatican would not change that. The Apostles' Creed would still read in the same way, and so would the Bible.
Not so, though, with Islam. A religion with Five Pillars-reduced-to-three would collapse. So would a religion whose adherents universally hold that Allah exerts supernatural protection over the Grand Mosque and the Ka'aba, in the event that it were all vaporized.

What you would do by bombing these sites, is to unite the Muslim world against the Christian world, something that against all propaganda to the contrary, has not happened.
What we have here is a fairly large straw man which I did not build. It is a rather large jump to go from a pissed-off Israel nuking Medina and Mecca in response to some dastardly deed committed by Islam or its elements against Israel, which is what I wrote, to uniting the Muslim against the Christian world, as you adduced without warrant.
By the way, contrary to your assertion, the Muslim world is united against the Christian world. The anti-Christian verses in the Koran are sufficient for that, and, if they were not, their wild-eyed equating of Christianity with the Medieval Crusades would seal the deal.

183 posted on 12/22/2002 9:19:02 PM PST by Migraine
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To: Migraine
How could you possibly be arguing the point that religious fanatics who hate us in the name of everything that's sacred to them, would do anything other than become completely outraged at the deliberate destruction of those things they consider to be the most sacred and central to their fanaticism?
184 posted on 12/22/2002 9:31:07 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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