Coffee,Tea,or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wifes Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell attheAirport?

lewrockwell.com ^ | 12/18/2002 | Nicholas Monahan

[Poohbah]

Either we have a choice or we dont. If by refusing the search and leaving the area we become suspect, how exactly is it a "consensual" search again?

In this circumstance, the search is consensual based on the desired access to the boarding gate. When someone turns around AFTER willfully baiting the personnel responsible for maintaining the security of the gate, that amounts to "probable cause."

Also, please note that most airports in this country are ports of entry into the United States, and law enforcement personnel have always had rather wide powers of discretion in the immediate area of a port of entry.

In light of these issues, could you explain to us YOUR position on making English the official language of this nation?

In your case, I'll grant a humanitarian exemption so that it won't be necessary to deport your Biblical Beast of Burden.

[Bob Mc]

I've never seen any such sign before. What if someone who has never flown before, walks up and changes their mind. Has nothing to do with baiting or IQ.

[inquest]

Actually, the way to begin is by getting the federal government out of the process altogether, and allow the airlines themslelves to have full and absolute discretion over: - who gets to work for them, and who doesn't; - who's allowed to carry a weapon on board, and who isn't; - who's allowed on board at all, and who isn't; - and who gets intensively searched, and who doesn't. If this had been the policy to begin with, I can just about guarantee that the 9/11 attacks wouldn't have happened.

[BigBobber]

Other things that have been suggested, and dismissed by statists like yourself, is arming pilots and/or flight crews, allowing CCW holders to fly armed, 100% baggage scanning, and many other suggestions which focus on solving the problem without regard to any Muslim feelings which may be bruised.

I'm in favor of most of these things. Off-duty police and military should be allowed to carry on planes, with the permission of the pilot. I'm not ready to allow teams of Nation of Islam drones like John Mohammed to board a plane carrying a piece just because they got a CCW somewhere. Are you?

Are metal detectors for passengers allowed in your system? That is a search you know.

You still haven't anwered the question that is the theme of this thread. How do you determine if a woman is really pregnant and not hiding a bomb under that bulge in her belly? Nothing you mention will prevent that.

And this has question has nothing to do with disrobing in public or body cavity searches, so let's not hoist up that straw man again.

[Bob Mc]

What would I care about the law at a Port of entry of the US, or need to know, if I just want to travel from Podunk Indiana to Cowtown Kansas.

What's come of this country when a citizen has to know every nuiance of every federal and state law, or risk being a criminal from being a stupid redneck who decides to turn around at a security checkpoint?

[BigBobber]

I wouldn't have a problem with such a system.

[cajungirl]

So what are you gonna do at airport security if you get frisked? and the frisker described iin the article was a woman.

[Poohbah]

I am so sorry they dont like being "baited" but the reality is since i have not attempted entry, and have only been a smart-ass, while it is frustrating, it is neither illegal nor a legitimate reason to detain me.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Sorry you dont like it, but that question was settled back in the 60's.

This wasn't calling a LEO a pig. It was coming up to a controlled-access area with an apparent attempt to enter, followed by sudden departure from same when it became obvious that your effects would be subject to a search.

The courts have held that suddenly making a U-turn when a cop sees you is "probable cause."

One may call a LEO a pig and as long as no objectively threatening actions are made, the cop cant do a damn thing about it without overstepping his authority.

This wasn't calling a LEO a pig.

Contempt of Cop is not a real offense.

This wasn't "contempt of cop."

Not all of them and regardless of that, as long as I have not entered the customs controlled area, your argument is invalid.

They can detain you long enough to verify that you never were in the customs controlled area. That could take a while.

Were that not the case sir, you could argue that a parking fine received for overstaying the meter on airport property is a violation of federal law and should be investigated by the FBI.

There is a significant difference between a parking violation and engaging in behavior that on its face seems to be an effort to evade law enforcement officers.

[Poohbah]

What would I care about the law at a Port of entry of the US, or need to know, if I just want to travel from Podunk Indiana to Cowtown Kansas.

Then don't travel via any international airports.

What's come of this country when a citizen has to know every nuiance of every federal and state law, or risk being a criminal from being a stupid redneck who decides to turn around at a security checkpoint?

Yeah, whatever happened to the good ol' days when people turning and running from the cops AFTER making the cops take notice of you was, like, kEWl dOOd?

[cajungirl]

So a polite frisk is okay? Or are we ruling out any kind of frisk. And Xena can speak for herself or are we into speaking for her?

[cajungirl]

I don't regard being screened as submission to authority. I regard it as doing my part of ensure that we are not all murdered on the plane. I regard it as like voting, paying taxes, obeying the law,,the duty of a citizen. But I am a strange person,,I like authority, for the most part I think our government serves us well, I like the President, I respect people who are doing their job. Some people on this thread in my opinion are juveniles with aggressive chips on their shoulders, looking for someone, anyone to accuse of thinking wrong, looking for a fight, paranoic and posiing as constitutionalists and patriots. Some growing up and accepting the burdens of citizenship as well as the rights and freedoms seems indicated to me.

[Bob Mc]

"Then don't travel via any international airports."

I never planned to. Your the one who insisted I look up the law of Port of Entries.

"Yeah, whatever happened to the good ol' days when people turning and running from the cops AFTER making the cops take notice of you was, like, kEWl dOOd?

A stupid redneck realizes he can't go through, never had any intention of harm or breaking the law, tries to turn around (I NEVER POSED THAT HE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM COPS, DON'T CHANGE MY EXAMPLE) cause he knows he can't go through, and ends up incriminating himself. Probably has charges leveled also depending on what kinds of property of his he has on him.

Still seems like a bum system set up to frame the stupid and innocent.

[Bob Mc]

Sorry cajungirl, this was for Poohbah.

[BigBobber]

There is nothing special about off-duty cops or military either unless they both receive some magical power that can only be imparted to them.

Here's the difference. Cops and military are under constant scrutiny by their fellows and their superiors. When they start to act irrationally they aren't allowed to have sharp pointy objects and they eventually get booted out. I don't trust the Nation of Islam to be as cautious.

Now, are metal detectors or other passive screening devices for passengers, say to detect explosives, allowed in your airport? If not, why is baggage screening OK (your previous post) but not passenger screening?