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To: Aric2000
I am pagan,...

A "pagan" is anyone not Judaic, Christian or Muslim. This is the primary definition from the American Heritage Dictionary. The etymology of words are often different than their definitions.

Are you a pagan Egyptian, pagan Greek, pagan Roman, pagan Celt, etc., etc., or an atheist like myself???

Be careful, this is a subject I have a lot of knowledge of...

Set, Satan, and Shaitan are the same. "Satan" is a Hebrew word for the pagan Egyptian Set. Satan, Shaitan, Set or Seth ("Set-hn" as spoken in the ancient Hebrew) is a pagan entity, the "adversary" of Judaic theology. (A "pagan" is anyone not Judaic, Christian or Muslim.)

The Greeks called Set "Typhon," who was the war god assigned to Upper Egypt. This also represents another contravention to the "accepted" etymologies of words like "typhoon" in English, which is erroneously listed as the Cantonese "tai fung" in many dictionaries. English has more commonalties with Greek and Latin.

The Egyptian priest Manetho associated the Jews with the Hyksos and Moses with the Egyptian priest Osarsiph. It was at this time that the belief the Jews worshipped an ass – an animal holy to the Egyptian god Set was established. Both the Jews and the pagan Egyptians used the labels (i.e., Satan, Set, Seth, or "Set-hn" as spoken in the ancient Hebrew) to defame each other. How fitting that amidst this epic struggle and bloody conflict, the entity known as Satan was born into the World. Such conflict continued through the Maccabean period (with Antiochus Epiphanes), and continues into modern times on several fronts.

There is a recurring theme that alludes to the hostility between the pagan Egyptians and the Judaic. Often it is claimed by the Neo-Pagans that Satan is only found in Christianity. How can this be if Satan is undeniably a Hebrew word adapted from the name of the pagan Egyptian god Set? This cannot be reconciled with the fact that it is a Hebrew word...

Thomas Hobbes, having been fluent in both Greek and Latin by age 9, has this to support my assertions in Leviathan:

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.

Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Israel, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.

Also know that if you claim to be a "witch," I'm ready for that one too:

Controversy over the origin of the word witch is valid when one considers the etymology of the term in other languages: venifica (Latin), hexe (German), streghe (Italian), etc. Only in it's English form has the word assumed a benign origin: wicca, purportedly meaning "wise."

Any debate must center on recent claims that advance a positive and socially acceptable meaning for a term that has in all ages and most languages meant "poisoner," "frightener," "enchanter," "spell-caster," or "evil woman."

Anthropologists have shown that even in primitive societies, notably the Azande, the definition of witch carries malevolent connotations. Therefore, are we to assume that the only "good" witches in the world were English witches? This, however, becomes difficult to accept when one considers the term wizard, which stems from the Middle English wysard = wise, versus the Old English wican = to bend, from whence witch is supposedly derived. All in all, it seems to be an unsuccessful attempt to legitimize a word that probably originated by onomatopoeia - the formation of a word that sounds like what it is intended to mean!

Please be clear in your words.

256 posted on 12/25/2002 6:06:39 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I will be as clear as I can then.

I consider myself Wiccan, but I am a sole practitioner, I do not like NOR need others to share in my beliefs to make it real to me.

The only reason that I say Wiccan is that it is the closest to my personal beliefs, but that is the ONLY reason.

I also believe that others believe what they must in order to find fulfillment in their lives, Some need christianity, etc, etc. to find true meaning. THe thing that makes me nuts, is of course that ONLY they have the true answers, and everyone else is wrong, when someone says this to me, that religion is immediately suspect to me. But like I said, if they need that, more power to them.
276 posted on 12/26/2002 8:08:08 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You know, I just looked over that post again, and for some reason it offends me.

Like I have to prove my beliefs to such as you?

I couldn't give a shit what you think about me, my beliefs or whatever I choose to call myself.

It's none of you god damn business and I could care less how much "knowledge" you have on the subject.

Be careful, this is a subject I have a lot of knowledge of...

And I should care why?

Also know that if you claim to be a "witch," I'm ready for that one too:

And again, I should care why?

Please be clear in your words.

And again, why do I need to be clear, I am actually supposed to care what you think about my beliefs? or what I choose to call myself?

I couldn't care less what you think, if you wish to worship a rock, a toad, or be an atheist like you claim. Great, have at it. But I do not and will not allow you to define me. I have defined myself, and that is all that matters.

So, in essence, go Off yourself in some quiet way and take your judgemental and all knowledgable crap with you.
278 posted on 12/26/2002 10:19:54 AM PST by Aric2000
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