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To: Missouri
If enough of us get on the Tancredo bandwagon, we could actually turn this into a sizeable movement. I supported Bush in the beginning, but now it's like looking at someone who'd rather be president of Mexico than the US. He still has time to turn things around, but I'm not holding my breath, especially after his Social Security proposal.
209 posted on 12/22/2002 3:42:27 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; Missouri; B4Ranch; 4Freedom
I have a hard time understanding how men such as yourselves can allow anyone to manipulate you.

There has been several references on this thread to the high hispanic population in California prisons. Of course that is what one would expext given the hispanic population of California. On the other hand, if one were to examine the hispanic prison population in a state with a low hispanic population, the results would be very different. This is not how prison pop rates are measured.

If we go to the DOJ website we find a more accurate description of who is in prison. Thw white rate is 462 per 100,000. Hispanic is 1117 per 100,00. Black is 3535 per 100,000. So you see, when someone uses this California prison pop number, they are trying to manipulate you.

Another method of manipulation is found in reply #206 by B4Ranch when he asserts that since a particular crime of horror was committed by hispanics, then all hispanics are just as guilty. Of course the axillary to this is that there have many crimes of horrow committed by white people and since B4Ranch is a white person, he is as guilty as those that committed the crime.

Another method of manipulation is found in reply #67 where 4Freedom cuts and pastes some poll into the reply that deals with opinions regarding immigration. Now even though he declined to give any info on, or a link to the source of the poll, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it is accurate. Even then, there is something missing from the poll.

Along with a long history of immigration, this country has a long history of public opinion regarding immigration. It makes no difference at which point in time you inquire, the response will always be: "the people who came here in earlier times were good folk, but the people coming today are purely scum". Were you to ask someone today about the people who came in 1900, the answer would be favorable. If you could ask someone in 1900 about those arriving in 1900, the answer would be negative.

And it makes no difference which ethnic group you ask. Ask a long estabished hispanic about today's hispanic arrival and the answer will be negative. Ask a Vietnamese boat person about today's Vietnamese arrival and the answer will be negative.

Of course we all know that how a poll question is framed will influence the answer. See this CATO Policy Report which is but one of many such reports on immigration.

BTW, I am not a libertarian although I sometimes lean that way.

223 posted on 12/22/2002 5:22:42 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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