[VRWC_minion]

Actually, you're a liberal because you advocate the use of government to achieve that which belongs in the private sector.

You have the wrong person.

[NittanyLion]

You have the wrong person.

Huh? You claim the smokers are the selfish ones - yet the restaurant would've happily allowed them to continue smoking had government not become involved.

[Just another Joe]

He has the right person. You just don't want to admit it.

[Rate_Determining_Step]

Actually, you're a liberal because you advocate the use of government to achieve that which belongs in the private sector.

You have the wrong person.

I think he's got the right person.

Government gets it's power from the people. That is, it's on loan. For example, it's entirely appropriate and moral to lend the government police powers. We have the right to shoot an attacker and thusly, when the police do the same in our name, it's legitimate. The police can rightly do that because the power was derived from the people's right to defend themselves. It was conferred to them, but it's legitimacy stems from it's roots.

Thus, you have to pose the question - am I asking the government to do what I have the moral right to do myself?

Could a law that confiscates property be legitimate and consummate with individual American rights?

I'd really like to see your zeal to physically remove a cigarette from my mouth.

But, you can't and trust me, you wouldn't try. So what do you do? You and people like you whine and prattle on to the government and get them to create a power out of whole cloth.

You are a power hungry recreant who doesn't even deserve the term "selfish".

So don't go on your moral high ground trip until you feel confortable physically accosting smokers.