Cafe business up in smoke (smoking ban closes restaurant)

The Citizen Auburn NY ^ | Friday, December 20, 2002 | By Mary Bulkot / Staff Writer

[Max McGarrity]

How dare you slap minnie-the-anti in the face with logic! Logic is not allowed in the discussion of smoking!! Ask any anti.

[Max McGarrity]

Jeez, Ditto, ya nearly gave me a heart attack!! Reading your reasonable post...then scanning down and misreading your name which looked nearly identical to one of the tobacco whackos who slither around these threads. Whew. Think I'll go back to the Lounge.

[Just another Joe]

No wonder you're a fascist; you don't understand the free market.

And this is the person that says they have 30 years dealing with small businesses.
I put less and less faith in ANYTHING minion says every day.

[Just another Joe]

Reading your reasonable post...then scanning down and misreading your name which looked nearly identical to one of the tobacco whackos who slither around these threads.

BWAHAHAHAHA, I know who YOU'RE talking about.

[Max McGarrity]

WELL said!

[Jhoffa_]

I just heard Jim Cramer (With a C or a K? I forget) on the radio on my way home advising someone to sell his Phillip Morris stock.

Not because it was a bad stock, but because he: "Realized that there is a price people simply will not pay to smoke" and then he recanted Ny's across the board attack on smokers.

I wonder what they are going to do when the tax base collapses?

Cut the budget, or just find something else to tax?

[Ditter]

I am surprized at you Joe, you have always been such a gentleman.

[Just another Joe]

I am surprized at you Joe, you have always been such a gentleman.

I return what I am given.
When treated as a human being, with respect, I return respect.

When I'm called names and told lies with audacity I'm not going to be Mr. nice Joe anymore.

[Just another Joe]

Not saying that you do, but I've been dealing with those that do.

[oldtimer]

Actually our pal is a fascist as in using the power of government to dictate to free enterprise.

Give some "little twerp" some power as an Alderman/Councilman, and all of a sudden they JUST HAVE TO PASS LAWS.

Smokers vote with their feet, and more and more are buying smokes on the Internet to by-pass slimey trial lawyer ripoffs as well as "little twerp" salaries.

Watch out VRWC Minion, the SheLion will soon log in and kick your algore like nobody else can.

[kmiller1k]

No, pardner, I wouldn't walk up to you and get near your stinkin' cigarette, cough, cough.

Seriously, if you and I were to be eating in the same restaurant and you light up, tell me can you keep the second hand smoke to your table only? No, I suspect not. Name for me one act that I can do at my table which would interfere with your dining experience the way that your cigarette smoke with interfere with mine.

That is the difference between you and me--I don't want to mess with the air you are breathing in the restaurant but you seem to have no qualms spreading your second hand smoke around the room. I don't care if you smoke--go ahead but please don't think that a seperate section or partition segregates your habit from those who don't smoke.

[kmiller1k]

It seems that our society has become so coarse that we feel the need to legislate courtesy. Your smoke in a confined space spreads through out the entire space. Because some smokers seem to feel the need to light up constantly (and you know who you are) the polite and considerate smokers are now all lumped together in the same ashtray.

Probably the next discourtesy to be banned legislatively will be cell phones in movie theatres, resturants, churches etc, places where one call can disrupt the experience of all within ear shot.

[kmiller1k]

Loss of a right? You can still purchase cigarettes and smoke them outdoors, we non-smokers, are just asking you to please not smoke in public rooms.

I don't think you get it and you run to the "loss of rights" as a cover for your fear of not smoking for a short duration inside a restaurant. Do you fly commercially? Do you attend church? Do you spend any time at your children's school? These are all places where your rights and mine may be abridged. Should we allow smoking in these places?

[supercat]

You can still purchase cigarettes and smoke them outdoors, we non-smokers, are just asking you to please not smoke in public rooms.

How about private clubs? What if a bar decides to become a "private club" whose only requirement for membership is that members not b@@@@ about smoke?

[supercat]

Probably the next discourtesy to be banned legislatively will be cell phones in movie theatres, resturants, churches etc, places where one call can disrupt the experience of all within ear shot.

Theaters etc. have the right to establish a policy that anyone whose cell phone or audible pager goes off will be immediate ejected for the duration of the show. If you frequent a theater where shows are often disrupted, you can ask management to implement such a policy; if management refuses, you have the right to take your business elsewhere.

Of course, some fascists would rather just ban cell phones legislatively rather than letting theater owners set their own policy.

[EGPWS]

Where DO you come up with this stuff?

30 years experience with small business.

Mmm I didn't know Dasshole had been in office that long!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

[lewislynn]

The couple opened the diner in August 2000, after a string of businesses failed at the same location.

Maybe their problem is they didn't follow the 3 very basics of real estate investment...Location, Location, Location........

[lewislynn]

A ban on smoking has snuffed the life out of their D&S Diner

A ban on smoking is their problem? Or whiney smokers cowering at home with their cigarettes rather than supporting their local economy, enjoying a normal life?

[qam1]

Headline should read : Selfish smokers put another business out because they can't go an hour without a cigarette

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

It is the antismoking Nazis who are the selfish ones, They are the ones who pass these stupid laws so where the %!@&^# are they

They know they are going to chase some, most or all the smokers away so you would think they would at least have the decency to go out a little more often to make up the loss.

But nooo, They are nowhere to be found. It just shows that it isn't about smoking it is about control.

They think just because they go out once or twice a year and order a lettuce sandwich and bottled water that they should force ALL buisnesses even ones they would never set foot in to cater to their selfish needs over the regulars.

[qam1]

I don't think you get it and you run to the "loss of rights" as a cover for your fear of not smoking for a short duration inside a restaurant. Do you fly commercially? Do you attend church? Do you spend any time at your children's school? These are all places where your rights and mine may be abridged. Should we allow smoking in these places?

BS argument.

We go to Church, School or fly commericially because we have to, not for recreation.

It's not about not being able to last without a cigarette, I go without for longer periods of time at work everyday. It's when we go out to a restaurant or bar we want to sit back and relax and have a good time and yes I know that might be hard for you to understand and probably upsets you but smoking is part of that. Being forced to go outside and leave my group is not what I would call a good time. It's expensive to go out to bar & restaurants, Why on Earth would we pay to be treated like second class citizens?

And yes if a Church, Airline and even a school wants to permit smoking they should be able to.