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[apologies for the direct nature of this post, but I couldn't help myself] They are just there for us to marvel at but our own salvation and relationship with God is infinitely more important.

You fundamentalist born agains really irritate me. You stated yourself earlier in this thread that you used to be a "materialist in Sagan's church," (where do I sign up for that, btw?), and now you have the gumption to come into these threads and berate those of us who pursue science and knowledge. Your hubris is disgusting and your ego is unparalleled. You're a guy who a few years ago apparently had some supernatural spiritual awakening, probably as a result of some life changing event, who now goes around telling those of us (who haven't experienced said life changing event) that we are stupid and going to hell.

This is absurd. There is so much more to your 80 years on earth than your bible. So while you spend your days waiting for your shrubbery to burst into flames and speak to you, or praying for your water to change magically into wine during your next meal at Shoney's, believe it or not there are those of us who thirst for true scientific knowledge and understanding of everything from the cumbustible engine, to vestigial components of mammalia, to yes, the Big Bang.

So kindly return to your threads explaining why catholics are idol worshipping heathens, and why your 8 homeschooled children (whom you indoctrinate with YEC nonsense) will be productive members of society, and just how did Noah collect all those animals (it was kinds I tells ya!) and leave us the hell alone.

You stated yourself earlier in this thread that you used to be a "materialist in Sagan's church" ...

It's part of some kind of mantra they get from somewhere. I'm embarrassed to say what it reminds me of, but I won't let that stop me, of course.

In my misspent youth, I used to go in strip bars sometimes. (Blush!) The girls would try to talk to me and hustle me for some very expensive drinks. Would you believe that every one of those girls had just broken up with her boyfriend in the last week/month? Probably still true today, although my personal survey of the subject ended about 20 years ago.

I'm told--haven't checked this one out personally--that every criminal in the State Pen was framed, too.

Incredible numbers of the creos used to be evolutionisits until their minds expanded and they began to question. (If these are questioning minds, I'd hate to see "doctrinaire.")