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Dear Gophack,

"I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but the research I posted shows that at HCA hospitals and facilities they perform abortions."

I'm sorry, but I haven't found anything adequate in your links, yet. From one link there is this:

"Like other conservative mutual funds, the Timothy Plan screens out questionable companies based on their products, services or employment policies. The fund's list of do-not-buy businesses approaches 400. They include Time Warner (publishes pornography), Dayton Hudson (supports Planned Parenthood), Columbia HCA Healthcare Corporation (performs abortions), Pharmacia Corporation (makes abortion medications) and Rick's Cabaret International (runs a chain of strip bars)."

That just doesn't cut it. I want some documentation.

And I want context.

1. Most abortions are performed at free-standing clinics, and HCA apparently owns none of those.

2. When an abortion is botched, the woman procuring the abortion must be transferred to a hospital, in order to save her life. At that point, the baby is likely dead or beyond saving. If the hospital completes the abortion, does that count as "performing abortions"?

3. Individual doctors with their own practices are granted privileges at hospitals. They operate on their clients in the hospitals at which they have privileges. The doctor is not employed by the hospital. By having privileges, he has the right to access to the hospital's operating rooms. Does this count as "performing abortions"? What if HCA is administering a public hospital (not an unusual circumstance)? What if the public policy, not set by HCA, is that the hospital must grant privileges to abortionists?

4. I found one link to a hospital that was recently spun off from HCA. Its website made reference to the fact that they will continue to abide by the court order REQUIRING the hospital to perform abortions. If HCA is under court order to permit abortions in some of their hospitals, does that count as "performing abortions"?

5. In a link that I have already provided, the ACLU criticizes HCA for voluntarily entering into "no abortion here" agreements with private hospitals with which it enters into partnerships. Please reconcile that criticism with the accusation.

As to Dr. Tiller, he is vermin. But his website indicates that he is medical director of his own privately-held baby murder facility, with a minor link to the HCA facility.

I'm open-minded that HCA may be voluntarily initiating the murder of babies in some or many of its facilities. But I need to see some evidence.

You haven't shown any, yet. Just accusations by others.

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You make valid points, and after the initial posts I haven't had time to look into this. I will continue to see what is out there.

However, you know that often we have to rely on the information of others. One of the sites I posted had listed documentation where the evidence was found. Much of these research can't be found on the internet at all. I think that was the Saint Antoninus Institute. They have proven to be a reputable source of information in the past. They say where they obtained the information (such as corporate grants and IRS forms) and I trust what they have posted.

The other sites I posted I have no opinion as to the accuracy because I had never been to the sites before or dealt with the information.

Thanks for your review, and I'll hopefully be able to answer your questions tonight.