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Frist a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider
Human Events ^ | 12-20-02 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by The Old Hoosier

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To: GilesB
>>When a man speaks and his personal actions follow his speech - that carries far more weight with me than some distant, tenuous connection he might have with someone who does something he has spoken against.<<

Ditto

481 posted on 12/20/2002 10:53:24 AM PST by auboy
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To: ApesForEvolution
You're welcome. I appreciate the compliment.
482 posted on 12/20/2002 10:59:49 AM PST by auboy
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To: wimpycat
a frustrated and very bad cartoonist

Every NC who has commented except you has found it to be very humorous as well as inoffensive. Besides its originality, something obviously lacking in your drivel.

See my profile page, Wimpy, just click on my screen name. Censorship never prevails over Truth.

Think you can get every single one of my posts pulled, just because someone might hit my screen name and see my profile?

You are beneath contempt.

483 posted on 12/20/2002 11:09:37 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: GilesB
You make several good points regarding being "100% pure". None of us know for sure if the companies we do business with donate to pro-abortion organizations or not. We are unwittingly contributing to the murder of innocent humans.

The Confiteur Catholics recite at Mass asks that we be forgiven for "What we have done and what we have failed to do", with the unspoken caveat that when we have sinned by action or inaction, that we knew we were committing a sin.

If we don't know that an action we take indirectly is sinful (for example, buying a burger at a fast food joint if we don't know they are giving part of our money to baby killers) isn't a personal sin, but contributing to Planned Parenthood if we KNOW the money will be used for abortions, or have a good idea it will be, IS a personal sin.

My point is, IF you claim to be pro-life and you KNOW that your money is in part procuring abortions, then you must to everything to stop this sin. If Frist really doesn't know that HCA takes part in abortions ... and even performs late-term abortions as I sited above ... then when he is made know of this, he should divest from the company all his holdings. If he knows and DOESN'T do it, then I don't think any pro-life Senator should support him.

I hope that makes sense. Sometimes I get caught up in these issues and don't explain myself clearly. God bless.

484 posted on 12/20/2002 11:12:31 AM PST by Gophack
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To: auboy
And Merry Christmas!
485 posted on 12/20/2002 11:13:33 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Gophack
Check to see if HCA is a hospital administration service or a hospital ownership entity. Does it have a variety of public and private hospitals? Do public hospitals have a legal requirement to perform any legal medical procedure?
486 posted on 12/20/2002 11:26:11 AM PST by xzins
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To: ApesForEvolution
And a Merry Christmas to you and all Freepers!

Getting together at my aunt's tomorrow. My three dearest cousins and their families will be there, too. That's my Christmas present!

487 posted on 12/20/2002 11:28:19 AM PST by auboy
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To: The Old Hoosier
If you can't see the difference between that and owning more than $5m of stock in an abortion provider...

And if you can't see the difference between holding stock in a medical corporation and in supporting an "abortion provider", then you are being willfully ignorant.

I haven't seen you answer this question yet. Do you have a retirement fund? A 401K? Mutual Funds? If so, then you are probably also "profiting from the abortion industry". If any of the funds hold stock in medical corporations, pharmeceutical companies, medical supply companies - then you are just as guilty as Bill Frist. You, my friend are a pro-choice abortion supporter, right? It's an asinine argument, both against you and against Frist.

488 posted on 12/20/2002 11:33:47 AM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Siobhan
More research:

Tiller and botched abortion at HCA Wesley: HERE

Boycotts for Life list HCA as pro-abortion

A non-Catholic Christian organization lists HCA as performing abortions See here

Another site that links HCA to abortion: HERE

More to come later ... have to pick the kids up at school.

489 posted on 12/20/2002 11:37:34 AM PST by Gophack
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To: wimpycat
I would never say to you what you said to Howlin.

It's not for me to expect from you what regard I have for Howlin despite our decided differences and past disputes. In addition to being objectively offensive, what she's doing can only serve to further damage her - not heal her - by picking to bleed the wound she's nursing.


So ... if you've no intention of reading or addressing my reply to you and we've therefore dispensed with your opinions on what I said to Howlin, I am interested in knowing what you mean by my "Oliver Cromwell" approach to the pro-life cause.

490 posted on 12/20/2002 11:37:38 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Howlin
The Frist anal exam begins!

Frist should tell the media he is not going to take this setting down! </pun>

491 posted on 12/20/2002 11:39:45 AM PST by Varmint Al
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To: P-Marlowe
The fact that you would make the argument is itself insulting. Sorry I got personal. For more on HCA, see my next post.
492 posted on 12/20/2002 11:43:58 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
Gee, the Frist family holds stock in the company they founded, HCA. Hold the presses!

There's also breaking news that Gates has some affiliation with Microsoft and Henry Ford founded Ford. News at 6.
493 posted on 12/20/2002 11:45:12 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Gophack
Dear Gophack,

You've done marvelous research, so I hesitate to ask you something that might require more.

The websites that you show say that HCA is a supporter of abortion. What does this mean?

Does it mean that HCA routinely permits, even encourages, that abortions be performed in their facilities?

Does it mean that some doctors bring some patients to their facilities to perform abortions? Does it mean even that some doctors select the operating rooms of HCA hospitals to perform even second and third trimester abortions?

Does HCA actively cooperate with pro-abort groups, like Planned Parenthood? Give grant money to NARAL?

It would be impossible to have a multibillion dollar hospital corporation that didn't once in a while incidentally get tangled up with abortion. It would be a horrible thing if folks refused to invest in health care businesses because they could not maintain "purity" on the issue of abortion. If that is the nature of HCA's involvement, then it's tough for me to think that Sen. Frist is morally compelled to divest.

But if HCA considers abortion part of "routine health care", or actively supports abortion through support of pro-abort groups, support of pro-abort research, support of pro-abort politicians, then Sen. Frist needs to announce a plan of divestiture (remember, he may be under some legal constraints in how he divests, and he has a moral right, also, to divest in a way that doesn't cause him undue financial harm).

I'd be interested to know more.


sitetest
494 posted on 12/20/2002 11:45:15 AM PST by sitetest
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To: alnick; xzins; PianoMan; Howlin; auboy; dyno35; P-Marlowe; FreeReign; hellinahandcart; Bella_Bru; ..
For all of you who had doubts about whether HCA has a real connection to abortion, here's Gophack's research:


To: The Old Hoosier

OK, I did a little research for those who care.

Tennessee Right to Life lists Columbia/HCA as one general corporation that supports abortion.

From the St. Antoninus web site they list HCA=Health Care as pro-abortion, and site where they obtained the information.

HCA (SEE COLUMBIA/HCA) PP3,9,10,20, 28
9 - FOUNDATION GRANT INDEX 94 PP
10 -CORPORATE 500 DIRECTORY OF CORPORATE PHILANTHROPY 93-94
20 - CORPORATION 500 - DIRECTORATE OF CORPORATE PHILANTHROPY
28 - GRANTS INDEX 1999

Dr. Tiller specializes in 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions and is the medical director for HCA Wesley in Wichita, KS. See his website HERE and the fact that it is affiliated with HCA HERE

I have to go now, but I'll do some more research ... I think the above three information sources speak VOLUMES about HCA's pro-abortion services.

Bill Frist, divest yourself now, for the sake of the unborn.

479 posted on 12/20/2002 1:46 PM EST by Gophack
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495 posted on 12/20/2002 11:45:17 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: Man of the Right
See post above
496 posted on 12/20/2002 11:46:32 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
The man owns more than $5 m in the stock of an abortion provider, yet says he's pro-life.
Will you PLEASE stop calling HCA an "abortion provider?" That's like saying the Dallas Cowboys are a concession-selling company.
Pharisee. You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence!
Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup, so the outside of it may also become clean.
497 posted on 12/20/2002 11:46:41 AM PST by Warren_Piece
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To: Gophack
I assume that you will never, ever allow yourself to be treated at anything other than a private Catholic hospital. Otherwise, the money you pay for your treatment is subsidizing a facility that performs abortions, and you are just as morally culpable as you are making Bill Frist.
498 posted on 12/20/2002 11:50:07 AM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Warren_Piece
What's up with the pharisee crap? Do they provide abortions? YES. Therefore they are an abortion provider. Period.
499 posted on 12/20/2002 11:51:06 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier; Gophack
Excellent ... thanks for highlighting the red meat of the argument courtesy of GOPHack's research.
500 posted on 12/20/2002 11:51:15 AM PST by Askel5
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