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To: John Valentine
"But, welcome to the Party. Your're right, we need your votes. Just don't expect too much in return"

Conservative, pro-life activists get Republicans elected. When they don't work at the grass roots level, organizing and fund-raising, but rather stay home - you get Bill Clinton. So, maybe that's what you like? It can be arranged...
196 posted on 12/19/2002 10:48:38 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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229 posted on 12/19/2002 11:12:31 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: ApesForEvolution
The question is not what I like, the question is what YOU like. Let's not get this all turned around- YOU are the one with the agenda.

If you say that Bill Clinton is preferable - or even indistinguishable from - say, Bill Frist, based on their positions on this ONE issue, then I am going to tell you that this is EXACTLY what I don't like about pro-lifers.

Pro-lifers persistently make the perfect the enemy of the good, much to the distress of all the rest of us. We have many other issues we care passionately about: smaller less intrusive government, lower taxes, an end to the Nanny State, killing off affitmative action, ending the stranglehold of the NEA on our schools, and on and on. Pro-lifers' refusal to support electable candidates cost us dearly.

I don't like being held hostage to a single agenda. I don't mind accomodating the views of the minority, and pro-lifers ARE a minority in my neck of the woods, but I don't like the idea of sacrificing otherwise good congresscritters who vote consistently the way I like on a wide range of issues just because they don't pass the pro-life litmus test.

I am taking a lot of flack on this thread, so what? I have spent my life in the political kitchen, and I kind of like the heat.
260 posted on 12/20/2002 8:05:36 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: ApesForEvolution
Conservative, pro-life activists get Republicans elected. When they don't work at the grass roots level, organizing and fund-raising, but rather stay home - you get Bill Clinton. So, maybe that's what you like? It can be arranged...

This kind of thinking is why we got a figurehead with a shadow cabinet and a wholly unqualified talk show host as our last two GOP candidates for Governor.

The ONLY reason the GOP hasn't blown the Democratic party out of the water is the stranglehold the religious right has on the party. The single largest reason why moderates and unaffiliated voters don't choose GOP candidates by default is the anti-choice plank.

Every Democrat I know -- and I'm surrounded by them up here -- is embarassed at their party. Every one of them has ideologies that are much closer to conservative (note the small 'c') governance than the elitist liberal machine of the Democratic party. Not a single one would join our party, however, because of the anti-choice nonsense.

I WELCOME the day when the fringe right wing of the GOP takes their grass roots and goes home. Form your own damn party. Yes, it will be rough for a little while but once the GOP proves to the BROADER populace you're dead and gone it will never lose another election.

Then maybe we can get some REAL work done in this country.

281 posted on 12/20/2002 10:57:07 PM PST by David D Miller
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