A Woman's Testimony of Incest and Abortion (my title)

ProLife InfoNet ^ | 13 Dec 02 | Denise Kalasky

[CAPPSMADNESS]

"...I do not believe this story. Nurses in hospitals do not hold people down while abortions are performed against their will. And doctors with admitting privileges at hospitals do not perform abortions against a person's will. This story simply is not true...."

As someone who works in an E.D. - this story has to be bogus, no doctor would put his license on the line for a parent in this situation. I cannot believe that there is an E.D. nurse alive that would hold a woman down during a forced abortion. And no hospital administrator wants the "added cost and publicity" of such a potentially nasty lawsuit.

[George W. Bush]

This story simply is not true.

Where are the lawsuits? Where are the criminal charges? In many states, this abortion would be a murder.

I don't buy it.

But I oppose all abortions and consider the "hard cases" to be primarily a literary device created by the abortion industry.

[Scupoli]

In many states, this abortion would be a murder

WHERE? Abortion is a federally protected right. This is an unemancipated minor at the legal mercy of her parents. They most assuredly can do this and get away with it if they can find an unethical doctor to go along with it. That doesn't seem too difficult. It's income in his pocket and in the hospital's.

But I oppose all abortions and consider the "hard cases" to be primarily a literary device created by the abortion industry.

So rape and incest victims never get pregnant? I have a bridge to sell you.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

"I have a nursing background. I assure you that this could be true. Children have no options"

They do indeed have options. a fifteen y/o girl has the right to refuse any invasive procedure in an emergency room situation. This scenario would have raised red flags all over the place! There would have been doctors, nurses, social workers and child advocates all over this! Pregnancy is not a life threatening situation. Now if this child was in need of a life saving procedure or medication - force could be used via parental consent. If this child needed stitches to stop bleeding - force could be used via parental consent. But force would have not been used to abort a baby in the E.D. - She would have been referred out. Not only referred out - this child would have been interviewed alone by several people and possibly admitted to insure that this was not an abuse case.

[Scupoli]

They do indeed have options. a fifteen y/o girl has the right to refuse any invasive procedure in an emergency room situation

You've got to be kidding. Maybe at your hospital, but there are some very nasty places out there where unethical and immoral but LEGAL things are done all the time. It depends on the physician and I've seen a lot. Don't be naive.

[George W. Bush]

Where?

I'm pretty sure my state has a law to protect the life of an unborn child if the mother wants the child. Normally, this would be applied in vehicular homicide where the unborn child dies as a result of criminal negligence by the driver. I think some other states have the same type of laws. Naturally, the abortion industry sees these kinds of laws as the beginning of a recognition of a right to life. The key to these laws generally is whether the mother desires the child.

So rape and incest victims never get pregnant? I have a bridge to sell you.

Of course they do. But I don't favor the murder of children based on the circumstances of their conception. If you favor killing those conceived in the most unpleasant circumstances possible, I don't think you'll find very many to agree with you here at FR.

[Scupoli]

I'm pretty sure my state has a law to protect the life of an unborn child if the mother wants the child.

A minor has no rights. The parents are looked to legally as the decision-makers. A child's only salvation is the moral and ethical code of the physician, nurse and hospital.

If you favor killing those conceived in the most unpleasant circumstances possible, I don't think you'll find very many to agree with you here at FR.

I don't.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

send me some of these facilities names via freemail and I'll do some checking before you call me naive - I have to have substantial proof of the wrongs of these "nasty" facilities before I pass judgement. With the very stringent federal/state guidelines that all E.D.'s must follow - I would like to see just how many are getting by them without being shut down.

[George W. Bush]

It depends on the physician and I've seen a lot. Don't be naive.

Why don't you document some of these many forced medical procedures for us? Provide some links to newspaper stories and other writings.

In a lawsuit-happy country like ours, you should easily be able to provide some supporting information for your claims.

[Scupoli]

Yes, of course, these facilities keep stringent records for JCAHO to review, don't they? In fact, once we get the names I'm sure they'll grant you immediate access, don't you think?

Call it firsthand experience of corruption. No one knows the extent without working in it. I'm glad your professional purity has been maintained.

[CARepubGal]

And in California, a rape victim can decide at the age of 12 whether or not to go through a rape exam, regardless of the wishes of the parents. I would think the same rules would apply in this case.

[Scupoli]

I'm afraid the entire point has sailed right over your head.

[Scupoli]

Sorry. It gets done. I've done more than I care to count.

[George W. Bush]

Sorry. It gets done. I've done more than I care to count.

You've done more what than you care to count?

[CARepubGal]

Please name the state this was performed in then. no offense but this is really not ringing true.

[Scupoli]

Rape and incest exams.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

Who was talking about JCAHO?? or otherwise known as Just Call And Harass Often....

The Joint Commission is nothing more than a paid membership - it means nothing. I was referring to other more stringent guidelines of which I am sure you are aware.

But since the article also refuses to mention the facility/state/town or any other incriminating information - I must assume that the writing is bogus and the writer is afraid of a lawsuit.

And as for access to what is public information - anyone can access it. As for other information - I have other ways as it is a part of my job.

Professional Purity? It is also a part of my job to insure that it remains intact as it is your job to insure that yours does. I would have to guess that you have had a bad experience down the road - but if it is anything like what the writer of the article is claiming, you need to see an attorney.

[Dick Bachert]

My pastor used to tell the story of a pharmacist friend who could nearly always tell which of his customers had had an abortion. They had this incredible sadness about them and were emotionally very tight when they came in to get their tranquilizer scrips filled. He was also a strong pro-lifer and on more than one occasion, he gently probed to ask some of those he got to know why they were on these medications for such long periods. Almost without exception, they "broke" right there in the store and wept as they told him that they'd killed their baby. You see, all but the hardest cases KNOW in their heart of hearts (where God lives) that they'd done a terrible thing.

[Capt. Tom]

This story simply is not true.

Put this story in the file alongside Bill Clinton's "Black Churches burning in Arkansas lie. - Tom