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Study Finds No Benefit In Using Echinacea To Fight Common Cold
The Sydney Morning Herald | December 18, 2002 | staff writer

Posted on 12/17/2002 3:38:05 PM PST by yankeedame

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To: ReformedBeckite
A handful of jalapenos does it for me. I wage relentless chemical warfare on the bad old germs. tequila with limes (good source of Vit. C) and salt, nachos w/ jalapenos.

does it work? can't remember... but i think i have fun with this technique...

41 posted on 12/17/2002 6:29:22 PM PST by chilepepper
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To: templar
Reasoned response. Still, to say it "confirms" your personal observation is a reach. It adds weight, but no confirm, I would think.

I've mixed results with it. Helped me a couple of years, so it seemed, and then .... no effect noted. Used in conjunction with golden seal. Nowdays I stick to zinc tablets with bilberry, lots of clear warm liquids.

Two months back started taking cod liver oil and vitamin B complex for carpal tunnel. Helped *greatly* in conjunction with hand exercises and learning to use mouse southpaw -- use either hand now. Side effect seems to have been that I missed two or three of the colds and flus that have occurred around me. Had been pretty susceptible prior. Believe it was the cod liver oil.

42 posted on 12/17/2002 6:42:38 PM PST by bvw
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To: chilepepper
Never could get into Jalapenos or anything else hot. Never tryed teguila. Maybe some day I'll try it and with the limes, except that means keeping limes around, probably won't work to well with me. Maybe I could get it in liquid form. Ahhh I noticed I got that name wrong again, it's Wild turkey not Old Turkey. Don't really care for the taste, but it seems to be the cheapest but yet smoother then some of the other bourbons. Anyway I'm just taking a shot or two before bed.
43 posted on 12/17/2002 6:45:07 PM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: templar
Well, are you going to tell us what works for you? Or do we just have to sit out here & wonder?
44 posted on 12/17/2002 6:47:54 PM PST by Ditter
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To: yankeedame
Beer works for me, but then, cats are different!
45 posted on 12/17/2002 6:50:49 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: yankeedame
Your first post says it all: anything unpronounceable or from a place you can't find on the map can't possibly work!
46 posted on 12/17/2002 6:52:53 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: stanz
I haven't had a cold all year either & I don't take any of that stuff but I do eat beef twice a week & chicken & fish 5X a week + lots of fresh vegetables.
47 posted on 12/17/2002 6:53:40 PM PST by Ditter
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To: csmusaret
Several years ago, I became interested in herbal medicine. I'd picked up a book on old Indian remedies and it listed Echinacea as a blood purifier and was used for snakebites. This interested me because we'd lost a few dogs to copperheads and cottonmouths. I dug up some of the fresh root I found on our property, dried it and put it away. Not long afterward, one of my dogs was bitten by a cottonmouth, so I treated him with the tea (50cc every 3hrs) and irrigated the wound with it, just as often. In 24hrs, his neck glands had totally returned to normal. I've done this many times since....and have never lost another dog to snakebite.

As far as it working on a cold, I would think you'd have to use the tea made from the root, to be the most effective. I've been told that you aren't to take it more than 10 days at a time, so your body doesn't build a resistance to it. I haven't had a cold in several years... but it does seems to help me shorten a bout of flu to about 2 days.

I have to give as much credibility to this study as I would the one about second-hand smoke. *chuckle*

48 posted on 12/17/2002 8:06:53 PM PST by LaineyDee
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To: Ditter
I'm quite happy without meat and dairy products. I still eat salmon and egg whites occasionally, but I don't miss the other stuff.
49 posted on 12/17/2002 8:45:03 PM PST by stanz
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To: stanz
Its not a matter of missing the taste of meat. My body has a higher than average need for protein. I couldn't survive on a vegetables only diet,
50 posted on 12/17/2002 8:53:14 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Well, that's why I eat salmon and egg whites. Also, soy has a lot of protein. I hate tofu, but I love products made with soy - - Boca burgers, edamame (roasted soybean pods) and soy cheeses. Boca Italian sausages taste just like the real thing - - without the saturated fat and cholesterol.
51 posted on 12/17/2002 9:17:35 PM PST by stanz
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To: stanz
Thanks anyway.
52 posted on 12/17/2002 9:37:46 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Well, are you going to tell us what works for you?

Sorry, I seem to have edited out a sentence in my post. Olive leaf extract.

Go for the highest oleuropein content for the money. My usual dose is one 300mg (18% oleuropein) capsule at any first symptom for one to three days. If I get caught without any on hand or in a situation where is none available for a day or two (camping, etc.) and the symptoms develop into an actual cold or flu, I take two capsules the first day then one a day for the next three or four. The result is usually almost immediate, with almost all symptoms gone within 6 to 12 hours (overnight). For that sudden severe sore throat stuff ( the kind that leaves you unable to talk, swallow or even bend your head sharply downward within an hour or so of the first symptom) I usually take 2 capsules two or three times a day for a week or so. This usually clears it up to a point of tolerabillity within a day or so and completely in a few days ( last time this caught me, 5 or 6 years ago, I hadn't discovered the olive leaf and was acutely affected by it for over a month. it was awfull). If you're a herbal purist and avoid extracts, I suppose that the powdered leaf would also work, but a word of warning: The extract powder (and I assume the leaf powder) is the most horrible tasting stuff immaginable. It tastes so bad that it is unusable except in capsule form. I think the leaf powder would require a large volume of capsules to equal the oleuropein content of an extract capslue.

I would be interested in hearing form others who try this remedy. I know that everyones system is different and varying results would be expected (true of antibiotics as well) and wonder how many perople this works for as well as it does for me.

53 posted on 12/18/2002 6:35:15 AM PST by templar
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To: bvw
... to say it "confirms" your personal observation is a reach. It adds weight, but no confirm,...

Valid comment. I should have considered my wording more carefully.

Have you tried MSM for your hand? It seems to work wonders for connective tissue or arthritic problems. Good for overall health too. Maybe carpal tunnel as well (or maybe not, but there is no risk in any dosage). The powder tastes bad, but the pills are expensive and several gram or larger doses daily are needed.

54 posted on 12/18/2002 6:43:27 AM PST by templar
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To: templar
How did you happen onto Olive Leaf extract as a remedy? Are you a Dr or pharmacist or herbalist?
55 posted on 12/18/2002 6:59:57 AM PST by Ditter
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Thats the way I see it also. Echinacea is not effective once the cold takes hold. It was dumb to structure the survey that way because that is not the prescribed[by herbalists] method of administering the herb. All I know is that it works for me when taken at the onset of symptoms.
Seems to me that the study was deliberately designed to produce failure. Wonder who paid for it?
56 posted on 12/18/2002 7:19:57 AM PST by Adder
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To: Beelzebubba
You might also want to try Zicam. I recently tried it to ward off a nasty cold going arounf the office and the stuff was amazing! It has zinc but it also prevents the icam receptors on the virus from attaching to and entering the cells to reproduce[as I understand it. I am not a medical professional nor do I play one on tv.]. They become encapsulated and do little harm. I was also taking echinacea and mega doses of vitamin C. I don't know whether all of it worked or if one worked more than the others[ I lean towards the effaciousness of the Zicam] but I was able to avoid this nasty thing.
57 posted on 12/18/2002 7:34:15 AM PST by Adder
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To: Poohbah
No, only as needed--when I first feel the symptoms of a cold.

Cool, it is something I am going to look into though I don't get colds very often.

58 posted on 12/18/2002 8:56:38 AM PST by amused
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To: Ditter
How did you happen onto Olive Leaf extract as a remedy?

I've used natural medicine for many years. Over the years I've always paid close attention to any mention of herbal medicine or nutrition. I heard someone talking about the olive tree on a religious program once. I don't think he was promoting it as a healing agent, just something about it being mentioned frequently in the Bible and all of the uses the Olive tree has. He mentioned the leaf as a herbal remedy for colds and such among other uses for the fruit and the tree. If I remember right, he was more involved with the value of the oil for cooking and it's alleged health benefits if used instead of shortening. It didn't pay that much attention, but the mention of the leaf stuck in my mind. I saw some olive leaf extract powder advertised on a website a few years ago while I was ordering some other bulk dietary supplemenhts I use and decided to order a small quantity as it was reasonably priced. Then one night I woke up in the middle of my night with a wheezing cough and sore throat starting. This is the symptoms that usually signals a cold for me (I have a really strong constitution and colds are mostly a major nusiance for me, I never get laid up by one, just fatigued and a bit achy). I didn't want to put up with a cold at that time since my work load was extrememlly heavy and I decided to try the Olive leaf. I took about a teaspoon full and mixed it with a small amount of water to swallow and chase with a full glass of water, my usual way of taking powdered herbs and nutirtionals. This is a mistake with olive leaf ... you cannot believe how vile the powder tastes. After recovering, I threw the rest of it out (taste was really bad. I mean really, really bad). About mid day, I realized that I had woken up with no symptoms and that I was feeling more energetic than I had been for a few days. I wasn't sure that the Olive leaf was responsible, but I bought some capsules and tried it again the next time I had a cold symptom and it worked again. It's worked every single time I have used it over the past few years, for almost anything. Over the past six or eight months I've heard some people on talk shows talking about it and I think it is gaining in popularity.

59 posted on 12/18/2002 3:34:23 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have always avoided herbal remedies. I think of them as useless at best & dangerous at worst. I have many allergies to prescription drugs & I don't take anything unless it is absolutely necessary. I am not into experimentation with anything.
60 posted on 12/18/2002 7:21:05 PM PST by Ditter
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