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To: TopQuark
So far we have built magnificent devices, from computers to microscopes, assuming quantum mechanics; that is, that the universe is governed by chance.

Well, TopQuark, we should be careful here. Yes, chance comes everywhere into play in quantum mechanics in the unfolding of events at the microscopic level. But the creation of the universe, and the deployment of its laws and mathematics, may not have been a chance event. Many believe it was not, especially given the extremely low entropy with which the universe was created, and all the order (which we see around us) which flows from the intial low entropy. Many also believe that quantum mechanics is essential to the possibility of free will - a possibility which also may not have been created by chance.

40 posted on 12/17/2002 5:14:52 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
I have no quarrel whatever with any of the words you said. In the previous post, I merely pointed out that the author's disregard for this fact is disingenuous.
43 posted on 12/17/2002 5:23:42 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: yendu bwam
But the creation of the universe, and the deployment of its laws and mathematics, may not have been a chance event.

Perhaps -- it's rather difficult to theorize about the creation of the universe from a single example.

However, even if the initial creation of the universe is stipulated to be a non-random event, the fact is that the universe as it exists now shows no sign of a "micro-managed" internal design -- and it is the latter notion upon which Mr. Wiker is hanging his hat.

109 posted on 12/18/2002 7:07:52 AM PST by steve-b
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