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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
ET meets the bible ping.

[This ping list for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. If you want to be included, or dropped, let me know.]

32 posted on 12/17/2002 4:48:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry; yendu bwam
Thank you for the ping, PH. I found it hard to give credence to an author who would assert the following: Further, those who compare angels to aliens forget that angels are by definition immaterial beings. What kind of a scientific test would one devise to locate a being who, because it is not embodied, has no location? If this author read the Bible, it would be evident that Angels have physical reality though they appear to have super-natural powers. They are only immaterial beings when we cannot see, hear, or feel their presence.

Quite possibly for the same reason that we aren't spread out all over the galaxy ourselves. The speed of light limit, and the enormous energies or time needed to traverse the galaxy put an enormous barrier to its exploration. Those barriers may be untranscendable, making them as difficult for others as they are for us. 42 posted by yendu bwam In our current physical definitions ('laws' of physics?), the speed of light appears to be a barrier and the temporal gel of present time appears to require trabersing moments as if topping grains of present time along a temporal line. It is not outlandish to believe there is a better perspective available if we can discover the key to unravelling the foundational principle. Should someone discover a way to unify all the known forces, the key to transcending temporal limits as we now believe them to exist may be a natural outcome.

53 posted on 12/17/2002 6:22:07 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: PatrickHenry; yendu bwam
Thank you for the ping, PH. I found it hard to give credence to an author who would assert the following: Further, those who compare angels to aliens forget that angels are by definition immaterial beings. What kind of a scientific test would one devise to locate a being who, because it is not embodied, has no location? If this author read the Bible, it would be evident that Angels have physical reality though they appear to have super-natural powers. They are only immaterial beings when we cannot see, hear, or feel their presence ... they are immaterial only when we do not detect their intersection with our spacetime, but they are very material when they do intersect our spacetime, they write on walls, spew forth fire, sit beside a tree, wrestle with a shepherd, etc.

Quite possibly for the same reason that we aren't spread out all over the galaxy ourselves. The speed of light limit, and the enormous energies or time needed to traverse the galaxy put an enormous barrier to its exploration. Those barriers may be untranscendable, making them as difficult for others as they are for us. 42 posted by yendu bwam In our current physical definitions ('laws' of physics?), the speed of light appears to be a barrier and the temporal gel of present time appears to require traversing moments as if topping grains of present time along a temporal line with past at one end and future at the other end. It is not outlandish to believe there is a better perspective available, if we can discover the key to unravelling the foundational principle. Should someone discover a way to unify all the known forces, the key to transcending temporal limits as we now believe them to exist may be a natural outcome. Just as dimension space has three variable expressions (three functions), so dimension time may also have three variable expressions. Eventually, someone may devise a way to mathematically express this notion and equations will pour forth.

57 posted on 12/17/2002 6:27:40 PM PST by MHGinTN
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