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To: Pahuanui
That's a rich statement, after reviewing your blowhard rhetoric further down the thread. How have you come to the conclusion that god would be the 'most likely source', professor?

Maybe you would like to give me REAL evidence for panspermia - what a leap! The most obvious and logical conclusion is that the microbes are from earth! Why would any scientific person think otherwise without one single shred of evidence? hmmm? Could it be that they start with a BELIEF that God doesn't exist? Yep. All beliefs flow from one's belief about God.

Give me your evidence...and please spare me your non-scientific speculations based on presupppositional assumptions. I want only the facts and real evidence. If you can't provide it, then maybe you should examine your own beliefs and how you came to hold them. First you start with the BELIEF that there is no God, then you try to make everything fit that belief.

220 posted on 12/19/2002 10:08:07 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Maybe you would like to give me REAL evidence for panspermia - what a leap!

Why would I? I don't necessarily believe it occurred.

The most obvious and logical conclusion is that the microbes are from earth! Why would any scientific person think otherwise without one single shred of evidence? hmmm?

I have no idea. I am person involved in science, and I don't have enough data to make any iron clad assertion, one way or the other.

Could it be that they start with a BELIEF that God doesn't exist? Yep. All beliefs flow from one's belief about God.

Another assumption on your part.

Give me your evidence...and please spare me your non-scientific speculations based on presupppositional assumptions.

Your problem is quite a simple one, really. You are assuming that those who do not necessarily agree with your idea and/or explanation of certain phenomena or theories must therefore subscribe to another, in this case, microbes originating in outer space. You are quite wrong in making this assumption.

I want only the facts and real evidence. If you can't provide it, then maybe you should examine your own beliefs and how you came to hold them.

Oh, I'm well aware of what I believe and how I came to this point, but what I believe is not the question here, it's what beliefs you are foolishly trying to ascribe to me.

First you start with the BELIEF that there is no God, then you try to make everything fit that belief.

Not I, Chicken Little, not I.

222 posted on 12/19/2002 10:17:49 AM PST by Pahuanui
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To: exmarine
If one takes The Biblical warning about THE GREAT DECEPTION of our end time era seriously, it is not too difficult to conceive of all manner of evidence given toward a hoax--especially given that satan has had many thousands of years to prepare the hoax.

Actually, there is already surfacing a fair amount of evidence--considerably more than "not a shred." Some would claim the evidence is quite significant etc.

Personally, I think the government and scientific personnel swallowing that line from the ET's are swallowing an insideous demonic hoax without even any clue they are swallowing a poisonous line, hook, line and sinker.

I don't know what went on--on this planet before the Genesis: THE WORLD WAS VOID AND WITHOUT FORM. What was it before it was void and without form? I don't know. I don't know how long before that there might have been or were other intelligent creatures in whatever dialogue with God. I don't know how long it was void and without form. I don't know what sorts of creatures were scurrying around wherever during either of those ancient times from the planet's perspective.

I do have utter confidence that once Adam was created by God in God's own way from the dust of the earth--that God had created a unique creation in His image for a unique purpose of ruling and reigning with Christ throughout the ages. And that I have a special, very personal, very Loving and passionate invitation to join Chirst in an incredibly grand adventure--bearing an incalculable weight of glory.

Doing my part to Love God with my whole being; my neighbor as my self and doing unto others as I'd have them do unto me takes an incredible amount of time and effort. I don't have endless hours to speculate over silly postulations about what might have happened apart from God.

There is no apart from God as David expressed so well--If I
ascend to the Heavens, God is there. In prison, God is there. In the depths of the sea, God is there. In the depths of hell, God is there.

So the idea that chance plus time produced anything beyond chance plus time is silly, to me. Quite unworthy of belief therein.
445 posted on 12/22/2002 1:30:16 PM PST by Quix
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