Alien Ideas: Christianity and the Search for Extraterrestrial Life

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[Uri’el-2012]

interesting to know the lord is referred to as "Adonai", not "Jehovah." (no, they are not the same.)

184 posted on 12/18/2002 4:33 PM MST by galt-jw

If you were to utter the Tetragrammaton ( yah hay vav hay)of the OT you were struck dead.

Hence another name was used as in "the name of the Name" or L-rd or haShem.

A name written, that no man knew— This is a reference to what the
rabbis call the shem hammephorash, or tetragrammaton, hwhy YHVH; or
what we call Jehovah. This name the Jews never attempt to pronounce:
when they meet with it in the Bible, they read ynda Adonai for it; but, to
a man, they all declare that no man can pronounce it; and that the true
pronunciation has been lost, at least since the Babylonish captivity; and
that God alone knows its true interpretation and pronunciation. This,
therefore, is the name which no man knew but he himself.

CLARKE’S COMMENTARY
THE NEW TESTAMENT, VOLUME 8
1 THESS. THROUGH REVELATION

Praise His Holy Name

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[Quix]

Goodness,

My goal was not to sermonize anyone.

Rather, was trying to present a more accurate, rounded, precise picture of what should have been said as a piece before your kind exhortation. Hope I didn't get carried away. It was a quick first draft before church. But I wanted to correct the earlier flaw so aptly pointed out.

May each relationship you care about have the progress, closeness, caring, pleasure in it which you'd ask The Father for each one.

Blessings,

[Quix]

Actually, I think panspermia is a calculated deception spawned at the throne of hell and plotted, planned and planted from eons past.

Most thinking people are probably at least a little uncomfortable with the idea that the Super Computer Man sprung by chance from nothingness with great hardware and software already running.

Perhaps in concert with or after all the religions have been trounced by the global government, the ET's will offer holographic 'movies' proving their version of having seeded the planet; created man in their image; genetically engineered Jesus, Buddha et al for social stability and social engineering purposes etc. etc. etc.

And the Homer led masses will go "Uhhh, yeah, Doh!"

"1, 2, 3, 4
What are we thinking for?
The great global leader
Tells us what 2 think 4."

Doh indeed.

Supposedly one of the most highly classified UFO documents in the government archives is one titled:

"RELIGION"

Thankfully God prefers relationship and hates religion.

[Quix]

His claims about what the Bible said/says

and the facts

of what the Bible says

appear to be quite at odds.

It's not uncommon for psychological/emotional/relational fear based; control freak reasons for humans to claim all kinds of things for "religious" purposes.

But The Bible does NOT say man is the only intelligent or even the only soul encasing creature.

One can claim all kinds of things based on silence. It's a bit unwise & hazardous when the author one is putting words in the mouth of is Almighty God.

[Quix]

If one takes The Biblical warning about THE GREAT DECEPTION of our end time era seriously, it is not too difficult to conceive of all manner of evidence given toward a hoax--especially given that satan has had many thousands of years to prepare the hoax.

Actually, there is already surfacing a fair amount of evidence--considerably more than "not a shred." Some would claim the evidence is quite significant etc.

Personally, I think the government and scientific personnel swallowing that line from the ET's are swallowing an insideous demonic hoax without even any clue they are swallowing a poisonous line, hook, line and sinker.

I don't know what went on--on this planet before the Genesis: THE WORLD WAS VOID AND WITHOUT FORM. What was it before it was void and without form? I don't know. I don't know how long before that there might have been or were other intelligent creatures in whatever dialogue with God. I don't know how long it was void and without form. I don't know what sorts of creatures were scurrying around wherever during either of those ancient times from the planet's perspective.

I do have utter confidence that once Adam was created by God in God's own way from the dust of the earth--that God had created a unique creation in His image for a unique purpose of ruling and reigning with Christ throughout the ages. And that I have a special, very personal, very Loving and passionate invitation to join Chirst in an incredibly grand adventure--bearing an incalculable weight of glory.

Doing my part to Love God with my whole being; my neighbor as my self and doing unto others as I'd have them do unto me takes an incredible amount of time and effort. I don't have endless hours to speculate over silly postulations about what might have happened apart from God.

There is no apart from God as David expressed so well--If I
ascend to the Heavens, God is there. In prison, God is there. In the depths of the sea, God is there. In the depths of hell, God is there.

So the idea that chance plus time produced anything beyond chance plus time is silly, to me. Quite unworthy of belief therein.

[Quix]

Such an excellent point. I just love it. And so obvious. Why haven't people been saying this before? Thanks.

[Quix]

I think your paragraph leaves out a very critical aspect.

APART FROM GOD, such would be exceedingly impossible there as it was here.

Given God and His doing whatever He wanted with whatever worlds wherever--whether He saw fit to tell us or not--ALL MANNER OF THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

[Quix]

Shredding someone made in God's image

is an odd way of encouraging them to

run with delight to meet Him.

I sometimes need to
hit myself over the head
with this fact.

[Quix]

I strongly believe in Christ's return--in our lifetime, actually.

But I don't see that your assertions follow at all, much less well--from Scripture. I'm willing to see and consider your view point but it sounds very flawed from my perspective, study and experience.

[Quix]

Certainly religion has to be one of the most polluted, misdirected, even demonic institutions ever devised.

But just becasuse human critters have a seemingly infinite capacity to mangle the simple idea of relating to God into a hideous, destructive collection of control freaks--just because that's persistently routinely true

dot NOT say or do anything about authentic RELATIONSHIP with God--begun by God reaching down in Christ; concluded by our agreeing to partake of Christ lifting us up to God clothed in the Righteousness of His Blood, Love and Spirit.

[Quix]

That's one of my all time favorite jokes.

RIGHT--

"Get your own dirt, upstart!"

[Quix]

Fascinating and informative. Thanks.

[Quix]

We rather ignorant humans have the capacity to create many artificial environments--some of which defy in a sense and to some degree the normal laws surrounding them.

We do this in space. We have done it on the moon. We do it in submarines and some say in bases at the bottom of the seas.

We do it in bell jars and industrial vacuum chambers.

We evidently do it with magnets and reportedly antigravity craft and chambers in remote places.

Certainly in terms of the laws of physics, our efforts are artificial, puny and temporary reprieves, as it were, in a very limited 3 dimensional space.

If WE so ignorant, and so flawed can have such fun with our limited awareness and capacities--is it really rational to doubt that God would have had fun creating a diversity of universes with a diversity of structural laws?

How can we know from our perspective? How can we know He didn't?

[stuartcr]

Geography is a finite science, one can actually find places on earth, with or without maps. You can also find others that have done the exact same thing, repeatedly. We're talking about something completely different here.

[Quix]

The offspring, if any left, were drowned in The Flood.

[Quix]

Actually, The Scripture says they were made for the devil and his angels.

It's just that God has no intention of forcing anyone into Heaven nor of allowing anyone who refuses to live by it's rules to pollute it.

[Quix]

Supposedly some ET races are well behaved in terms of the PRIME DIRECTIVE and some are not.

I wonder if this is part of what "juding angels" will be about.

Of course, plenty will be judged for throwing in their lot with satan.

[Quix]

Well said.

THANKS.

And easier to hear without . . . other noise.

[stuartcr]

That's very informative, I wasn't aware of this.

[Quix]

IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SUCH A BRASH STATEMENT,

PLEASE,

At least have the intellectual honesty to go to Josh McDowell's site and examine the evidence--or get his MORE THAN A CARPENTER and examine it there.

Josh was a very angry young man. His dad was a Christian in name only and an alcoholic. The dad beat up the mother routinely very visciously. Josh left home, ended up in university furious at any hint of anything Christian. He determined to prove Christianity false on the basis of the evidence in the HISTORICAL RECORD.

A number of other atheists had followed a similar trail. Josh outdid them all in the extensiveness of his research. He learned the languages important for such a study. He spent a good long time at the whole thing.

He did have the intellectual honesty to let the HARD EVIDENCE speak for itself.

Your assertion that there were no observations is false.

There were quality observations. The death evidence has been examined by a number of modern MD's who describe the agony as extreme and that death would have been from a number of factors in relatively short order regardless of sword or no sword in the side--incidentally--a fact of a prophecy hundreds of years earlier.

The death was a fact. The Resurrection was a fact attested to by personal sight eyewitnesses numbering above 500. A number of these witnesses were still alive when the Historical Record was written. We have some sizeable chunks of those records from those lifetimes.

The experts are correct. The evidence is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT to hold up in court.

But earthly courts are not the ones you need to be most concerned with.

How will you account for how you have spent your life?

How will you account for your response to the claims of Jesus The Christ before whom every knee shall bow and every tongue convess that He IS Lord of Lords and King of Kings?

How will you answer when God asks you why you didn't do what He told you to?

How will you answer when God asks why you didn't receive the freely spilt Blood of His only Son in your behalf?

How will you answer when God asks why you flushed that blood down the toilet of your life?

I personally believe these are more important issues for you to ponder.

Of course, if you were merely postulating your statements for discussion/argument and if you are a secret believer, my apologies. Though secret believer would be a bit of an oxymoron.