Unfortunately Flynn wasn't especially articulate or well prepared. Barr was much better, but given very little time. The audience was heavily slanted against America. It was basically a radical fest.
1 posted on
12/17/2002 10:29:45 AM PST by
Stultis
To: Stultis
I saw it stultis it was basically a hit piece supporting Sean Pean the one guy definately made the point that most in the anti-war movement are communits and have no liking for America for some reason the guy never brought up the fact that the Iraqi guy at the UN basically said if not for the first Gulf War Saddam would have the A bomb now, if I remember correctly they where part of the 1991 anti-war movement as well. Decenting opinion is one thing downright siding with Saddam is another which seemed that some in the audience actually did.
2 posted on
12/17/2002 10:35:24 AM PST by
Leclair10
To: Stultis
5 posted on
12/17/2002 10:45:36 AM PST by
God'sgrrl
To: Stultis; hellinahandcart
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was going to say Im still trying to figure out what that first Gulf war was for because when they were selling it to us, it was about freedom and democracy. And there was no election in Kuwait after we liberated it. So I think part of this is that we didnt-we got sold a load of bunk the last time. Were not willing to go there again."UNIDENTIFIED MALE" indeed! It was Robbins that said this!!
If you think about it for half a second -- considering the murder, torture, rape and pillage visited on Kuwait and its citizens (e.g. dipping victims slowly in acid baths) -- this statement is incredibly cold. Liberating Kuwait from this brutality was "a load of bunk" as far as Tim (white, well-fed and never dipped in acid) Robbins is concerned.
Furthermore the claim about elections is almost certainly untrue. Kuwait did and does have an elected parliament. It is true that the executive power is invested in the unelected monarchy, which does have the power to disband the parliament, but for all Tim's elitist sneering this is in fact one of the freest and most progressive regime in the Gulf, or indeed, along with Jordan which has the same system, in the entire Arab world.
Someone needs to write the Kuwaiti ambassador and/or any english language Kuwaiti papers regarding Tim's smear.
6 posted on
12/17/2002 10:48:05 AM PST by
Stultis
To: Stultis
FLYNN: It was not the largest march since Vietnam.
SARANDON: According to the local police, it was the largest-I dont know...
DONAHUE: That would be anti-war march, I think you believe.
SARANDON: That was the anti-war march.
FLYNN: Could I say something about the march?
DONAHUE: Please, Dan. Yes.
FLYNN: I mean, look, you had people at that march chanting, George Bush, you cant hide, we charge with you genocide. It was organized by a bunch of...
(APPLAUSE)
FLYNN: ... of communists...
DONAHUE: Right.
FLYNN: ... and yet you went there and spoke!
DONAHUE: All right. So its their language...
(CROSSTALK)
DONAHUE: Theyre over the top. Theyre excessive...
SARANDON: There were church groups. There were not one group organizing...
FLYNN: Look, you were-you got in...
SARANDON: ... you know...
FLYNN: ... for what they would...
SARANDON: Thats not the point.
FLYNN: ... once call useful idiots.
SARANDON: Thats not the point Im making.
FLYNN: The bunch of dupes that went there...
DONAHUE: Dupes?
SARANDON: Im saying-this woman says, why do I have a right to talk? I only have a right as a citizen.
FLYNN: Why didnt you speak out about those guys saying that George Bush is guilty of genocide? The whole crowd was chanting that...
ROBBINS: Listen, you cant control...
FLYNN: ... We charge you with...
ROBBINS: ... thousands of people!
FLYNN: But you can say, Shame on you!
ROBBINS: You happened to find a couple of lunatics...
FLYNN: Shame on you for...
(CROSSTALK)
FLYNN: ... throwing around a word like genocide so loosely!
ROBBINS: Shame on you for putting those peoples words in our mouths!
(CROSSTALK)
FLYNN: You could have spoke out against it, but you were silent!
(guess I didnt read it your way...I felt Robbins and Sarandon were floundering)
To: Stultis
Youre watching Americas News Channel, MSNBC. LOL - More like Josef Stalin's News Channel.
To: Stultis
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christine King with the New York Young Republicans. My question is...
DONAHUE: Young Republicans. Well, welcome.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. Thank you.
My question is dont you think that the American people are speaking out and publicly showing that they are willing to support going to war?
DONAHUE: Sixty-one percent-the president is in the 60s in terms of popularity and approval. So you do have some numbers to support it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we also-Im sorry. Can I please finish my statement?
SARANDON: Oh, I thought you asked a question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Im sorry, Ms. Sarandon, may I please finish my statement?
SARANDON: Sure, I thought that was it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Im just saying that the American public has just elected their first Republican president...
SARANDON: Thats debatable.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... and Congress for the first time in a long time.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Im just saying that obviously, the American people are supporting our president.
ROBBINS: Its far from a mandate, too. Lets not forget that more than 50 percent of the people did not even show up to vote when given the choice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just think that everyone should get behind the president, because he knows a lot more than hes telling you or anybody else.
DONAHUE: But if I could just interrupt for a second. It doesnt make you wrong. And I thank you. Im glad that-my name is on a program that gives you this opportunity. You said that to Johnson during the Vietnam War. We were behind him, too. We now have 58,000 names on a black granite slab in Washington, D.C., guys and women who will never have their own talk show, who didnt enjoy the real fruits of America because they were sent to a war where you couldnt protest, but people called you names.
FLYNN: And Phil, we have 3,000 names-we have 3,000 names in New York City...
(CROSSTALK)
REP. BOB BARR ®, GEORGIA: Well, absolutely, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the divergence of views. Theres nothing wrong with protesting. Let me say that right off the bat. But I think in this particular case, Phil, you can see from the comments of Ms. Sarandon, for example, that she still harbors great resentment against Mr. Bush. Shes mad about the election. She doesnt like Republicans. So I think we can dismiss a lot of what shes saying.
DONAHUE: Well, thats an awful lot of conclusions there youre drawing on Ms. Sarandon. Just because she disagrees?
BARR: No. The fact-you know, she displayed her true colors, I think, when one of your other guests mentioned that Mr. Bush is the president. And she said, well, thats debatable. You know, and I think that indicates where shes coming from.
But I think, Phil, what the most amazing thing about a lot of these Hollywood types that are against the conflict with Iraq is their naivete. Theyre willing to overlook the very clear evidence of what Mr. Saddam Hussein really has done and continues to do to aid terrorists, not only in this country but around the world.
Robbins is assuming those that did not vote had they voted.. would have voted Democratic and Sarandon hasn't moved on since the Chads.
To: Stultis
One of the funnier exchanges from the duplicate thread:
wideawake: Phil is just getting in his last hurrah before his show gets canceled and his eleven viewers go back to polishing their mood rings.
Mixer: I think you meant to say....washing their burkas.
13 posted on
12/17/2002 11:16:18 AM PST by
Stultis
To: Stultis
I caught 3 minutes of these and watched all the brainwashed little high school goths/punks/anarchists with their Che guevera t-shirts on and studded noses bitch and moan. there was a little gang of them in the back row. Their parents must be soooooo proud.
The pro-war guest was outclassed and was ineffective when ganged up on by everyone in the room.
To: Stultis; God'sgrrl; All
FReepers, take a good look at the names on the list below. There are a few there that are surprising/disappointing to me.
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THE PETITON LETTER
TO: President Bush
SUBJECT: Artists Say Win Without War
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War talk in Washington is alarming and unnecessary.
We are patriotic Americans who share the belief that Saddam Hussein cannot be allowed to possess weapons of mass destruction. We support rigorous UN weapons inspections to assure Iraq's effective disarmament.
However, a pre-emptive military invasion of Iraq will harm American national interests . Such a war will increase human suffering, arouse animosity toward our country, increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks, damage the economy, and undermine our moral standing in the world. It will make us less, not more, secure.
We reject the doctrine--a reversal of long-held American tradition--that our country, alone, has the right to launch first-strike attacks.
The valid U.S. and UN objective of disarming Saddam Hussein can be achieved through legal diplomatic means. There is no need for war. Let us instead devote our resources to improving the security and well-being of people here at home and around the world.
Signed,
Artists for Winning Without War
Mike Farrell, Co-Chair Robert Greenwald, Co-Chair Gillian Anderson Edward Asner Rene Auberjonois David Bale Kim Basinger Ed Begley, Jr. Theo Bikel Barbara Bosson Jackson Browne Peter Buck (REM) Diahann Carroll Eugene J. Carroll, Jr., Rear Adm. U.S. Navy (Ret.) Kathleen Chalfant Don Cheadle Jill Clayburgh David Clennon Jack Coleman Peter Coyote Lindsay Crouse Suzanne Cryer Matt Damon Dana Daurey Ambassador Jonathan Dean (U.S. Rep. to NATO Warsaw Pact) Vincent DOnofrio David Duchovny Olympia Dukakis Charles S. Dutton Hector Elizondo Cary Elwes Shelley Fabares Mike Farrell Mia Farrow Laurence Fishburne Sean Patrick Flanery
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Bonnie Franklin John Fugelsang Jeananne Garafalo Larry Gelbart Melissa Gilbert Danny Glover Elliott Gould Samaria Graham Robert Greenwald Robert Guillaume Paul Haggis Robert David Hall Ethan Hawke Ken Howard Helen Hunt Anjelica Huston LaTanya Richardson Jackson Samuel L. Jackson Jane Kaczmarek Melina Kanakaredes Casey Kasem Mimi Kennedy Jessica Lange Tea Leoni Wendie Malick Camryn Manheim Marsha Mason Richard Masur Dave Matthews Kent McCord Robert Duncan McNeill Mike Mills (REM) Janel Moloney Esai Morales Ed ONeill Chris Noth Peter Onorati Alexandra Paul
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Ambassador Edward Peck (former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq) Seth Peterson CCH Pounder David Rabe Alan Rachins Bonnie Raitt Carl Reiner Tim Robbins Steve Robinson, Sgt., U.S. Army (Ret.) Mitch Ryan Susan Sarandon Tony Shalhoub Jack Shanahan, Vice Adm. U.S. Navy (Ret.) William Schallert Martin Sheen Armin Shimerman Gloria Steinem Marcia Strassman Michael Stipe (REM) Susan Sullivan Loretta Swit Studs Terkel Lily Tomlin Blair Underwood Dennis Weaver Bradley Whitford James Whitmore James Whitmore, Jr. Alfre Woodard Noah Wyle Peter Yarrow Howard Zinn |
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