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1 posted on 12/16/2002 5:34:45 AM PST by SJackson
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Well, it certainly isn't going to happen with the likes of Cynthia Tucker around.

I don't like the author's slant on "White Nationalism" being equated with white supremacy. The two are distinct.

Is the authoress saying that one cannot have pride in his ethnicity if he is a white European?

2 posted on 12/16/2002 5:38:53 AM PST by sauropod
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I looked over the article again. The authoress refuses to acknowledge some pertinent data that exists. Where does crime occur and who are the perps?

I'd like to take the authoress down to some areas of Baltimore or DC and let her walk home to see if it is only whites that are afraid of blacks.

Jesse Jackson was at least honest enough to admit his fear. This broad isn't.

BTW, Mike I mean absolutely no offense to you. I consider you a friend and I respect your intellect immensely.

There are some areas of W.Va and other rural areas that I have been where I would be afraid of whites perpetrating muggings, etc. as well.

3 posted on 12/16/2002 5:43:20 AM PST by sauropod
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She's 100% right, as a White man I feel that I/we are alway's under attack for something. We try to treat everybody equally but it is not reciprocated towards us and then we have to hear the whining about Slave Reparations & so forth. It really get's old people.
4 posted on 12/16/2002 5:43:28 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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From a PR site:

"In her book, The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration, (Cambridge University Press, July 2002), Professor Carol M. Swain of Vanderbilt University Law School writes about the new white nationalism movement. It is not the older racist right of the Ku Klux Klan or the American Nazi Party. The new white nationalists have jettisoned the tactics of those organizations and are smarter, more sophisticated, and more politically adroit. Their members are not blue-collar rednecks but are likely to be college-educated, financially secure, middle-class Americans. With slick, packaged politics, they have concealed the radicalism of their views and are gaining ground in mainstream America."

Talk about guilt by association!

8 posted on 12/16/2002 5:57:22 AM PST by facedown
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"There is the projection that non-Hispanic whites will be the minority around the year 2050"

This angers me the most. It is the span of my lifetime. It reminds me of the Biblical story of Esau selling his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of Pottage.

9 posted on 12/16/2002 6:02:52 AM PST by MigrantOkie
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Guess I should be ashamed of myself for being white, redneck trash. Just being alive as such is offensive to the minorities. What is one to do?
13 posted on 12/16/2002 6:29:36 AM PST by cynicom
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15 posted on 12/16/2002 6:40:53 AM PST by SJackson
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Her book is a polemic written to further the agenda of one group and one group only, hers. It is less a book on "White Nationalism" than on one on how to keep the gravy train running on time and in her group' direction. She even says that Hispanics should be grouped with whites when it comes to government intervention.
16 posted on 12/16/2002 6:42:03 AM PST by junta
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"the guy who fixes the copy machine..."

Some of those "poor fellows" only make $75/hr.

17 posted on 12/16/2002 6:49:32 AM PST by pollwatcher
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That pretty aptly summarizes the thoughts of nearly every white I know who isn't a brain dead liberal or a committed to a mixed race relation.

It wouldn't be hard to energize 75% of the white populace on these issues.

18 posted on 12/16/2002 6:55:45 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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It should be noted that this book is featured in the New York Times. That tells me that political correctness and all its policies are under serious attack. Good.

Social change comes slowly, unfortunately...and we all may have to pay a heavy price for past mistakes. But the direction is good.

20 posted on 12/16/2002 7:00:35 AM PST by liberallarry
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The Black Nationalists certainly get away with their racism.
24 posted on 12/16/2002 7:07:41 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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We need to move toward race-neutral affirmative-action policies and guarantee people a working wage.

"Guarantee people a living wage". Definitely a liberal socialist, but the points brought out in this article indicate that blacks finally are seeing the damage the law of unintended consequences has provided to them as a result of the race-consciousness and victimhood inherent in affirmative action. This day had to come.

The author seems to be overly concerned, I believe, with the danger to blacks from white nationalism, when the real damage is wreaked on the black populace through the acceptance of victimhood, and the severe psychological limitations victimhood inflicts.

25 posted on 12/16/2002 7:18:28 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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I think Trent Lott should lead the national debate on race. If we're going to have a serious discussion, we need people to say what's on their minds.

This is one of the more perceptive points in the interview. I think the single greatest obstacle to progress in race relations in the United States is a lack of honesty, on both sides, in the debate. When whites are almost uniformly afraid to state their view candidly, how can minorities know how to react or interact? And many minorities long have used different strategies of masking behavior in dealing with whites.

Over the years, I have heard several blacks make this point, albeit not in a general way. As one black woman put it: "I'll take a Southerner over a Northerner any day. If the Southerner doesn't like you, he says so to your face. If he invites you in through the front door, he means it. With most Southerners, you know where you stand. You may not always like it, but you can deal with it. Up North, folks make nice to your face and call you [N-word] behind your back. You never know who's your friend and who'll stab your back."

The fundamental conditions to improved race relations, IMHO, are honesty and mutual respect. Without honesty, even candor, in discussions, mutual respect is probably impossible. The problem is our culture of victimization and desire to avoid offense. The truth is what blacks here from whites will sometimes be as unpleasant and offensive as what whites hear from blacks. To acknowledge feelings, which are complex and change over time, helps. To suppress and deny feelings in this context is only to let them fester and breed more resentment.

27 posted on 12/16/2002 7:36:04 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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34 posted on 12/16/2002 7:57:43 AM PST by mhking
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35 posted on 12/16/2002 8:03:17 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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Q: What is the most racist event on the planet ?

A: The Olympics.
45 posted on 12/16/2002 8:44:54 AM PST by John Lenin
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You argue that an energized white separatist movement exists, despite polls that show more racial tolerance and an increasingly diverse popular culture. Why?

Me! Me! I wanna answer!

It's because throwing together such a "straw man" as this alleged "white nationalism movement" might be useful in resuscitating the increasingly irrelevant race-and-poverty pimp industry in America.

46 posted on 12/16/2002 8:47:53 AM PST by Illbay
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How to defuse white nationalism's growing appeal

Simple, get rid of the black caucus.
49 posted on 12/16/2002 8:56:12 AM PST by John Lenin
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Interesting piece. I'm not sure we are apt to see a rise of white nationalism and certainly not white supremacy but with our continuing balkanization....we will perhaps see an increase in white identification. It's almost being forced on us unless one is very pliable by nature.
90 posted on 12/16/2002 10:30:06 AM PST by wardaddy
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