'Lord' films run rings around the rest because of words

St Paul Pioneer Press / Chicago Tribune ^ | 12/12/02 | MICHAEL WILMINGTON

[ecurbh]

Well, they have FotR here at the Script-o-rama. However, it is the theatrical version. I have not seen the extended version anywhere yet.

[Valin]

Very well put.

[Prodigal Daughter]

Shhh! How can we expect these entertainment types to save the world from destruction if you go around calling them trivial?

[ArrogantBustard]

Hah! A picture immediately recognisable to Tolkien fans of a certain age.

[PJ-Comix]

A picture of him in a gay bar is not any kind of evidence except that he is willing to go to a gay bar, for any number of reasons. I know a lot of heterosexuals who have done that.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The only time heterosexuals will enter a gay bar is maybe the buy who drives the beer delivery truck and similar service people. Other than that why would a straight person even want to go to such a bar? To listen to the music?

[Valin]

Be careful...your age is showing. :-)

[ArrogantBustard]

Hmmm. You knew what I was talking about. Says something, don't it?

[My back yard]

They go with their gay friends for the show-like entertainment. I know some young people in Austin -- University crowd -- who go to these places with gay friends, but they themselves are not gay.

[PJ-Comix]

They go with their gay friends for the show-like entertainment. I know some young people in Austin -- University crowd -- who go to these places with gay friends, but they themselves are not gay.

What entertainment? I just don't see non-gay folks hanging out with gays at gay bars for the "entertainment." (And I'm frightened to ask what that "entertainment" might be.)

[My back yard]

I don't know. What I'm talking about could be totally wrong. I could be calling it 'gay bar' when it is not. The places I'm talking about are like the bar in the movie 'The Birdcage' or what ever it was. Shows like men dressed up as Barbra Striesand singing 'People'.

[HairOfTheDog]

Relax. If it had been fewer years since you were young, and if you weren't so uptight, you might have found yourself in one of those bars yourself. I've been in one. A while back, the gay bar in town was pretty popular for everyone, straight and gay alike. It was a wild place, and a very entertaining spectacle, if you aren't the type to collapse speaking in tongues if the cute girl you just saw at the bar turned out to be a man on second glance. It was a riot! One that loses its appeal after one has seen it a few times, but a definate carnival at first.

[ArrogantBustard]

One that loses its appeal after one has seen it a few times, but a definate carnival at first.

Sort of like seeing "The Rocky Horror Picture Show". The crowd is far more entertaining than the film. Once or twice, anyway. After that, it's just plain wierd. And boring. And disgusting. It's a freak show.

[katana]

I'd recommend you rent or purchase the extended version DVD of the Fellowship before seeing the Two Towers. It makes what was already an excellent first film breathtaking. In particular, the length and detail of the battle scenes and the added scenes describing the characteristics of Hobbits and Elves, make, IMHO, the expanded film much truer to the Tolkien.

[ksen]

My wife and I went out to eat at one of those Japanese places where they cook the food right at your table. When we got there we were told there would be a 20-30 minute wait. I put our names on the waiting list and since it was part of a strip mall we decided to take a walk and look at the other shops.

I was thirsty so we went into this coffeehouse type place that was a few doors down from the Japanese restaurant. My wife got a coffee and I bought an ice tea and we left. We got outside and my wife started laughing and asked me if I had noticed anything wierd about the coffeeshop. I told her, "Nope, why?"

She said it was a gay hangout and that the guy behind the counter was giving me a "look". After she said that I realized that there had been only guys in the store.

I thought that was pretty funny and could only imagine what would have happened if someone from my independent, fundamental church had seen us come out of there. ;^)

[Liberal Classic]

The young kid looks like a homosexual elf with the mesmerizing look of a heading eye dog. Just right for a movie promoting the occult. The Bible says Elijah would come and restore all things. This is a homosexual, OCCULT version.

I think maybe you're looking for hobgoblins. Tolkien was a close friend of C.S. Lewis, author of The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe, and it was Lewis who converted Tolkien to Christianity. The Lord of the Rings is not an allegorical work as is The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. Just because it doesn't have a Christ figure as C.S. Lewis' work, does not mean that the Lord of the Rings is satanic work and promotes evil. In my opinion, the Lord of the Rings has a certian moral clarity that many works today do not have. Perhaps you should read it before condemning it.

[Mamzelle]

I think Jackson's Arwen takes much from Luthien in the Silmarillion, in addition to the Appendices--a very smart thing to do, as the romances are similar and ancestors of both Arwen and Aragorn.

[HairOfTheDog]

Right.

[HairOfTheDog]

No kidding.... The breach of seeing the movie in a theater would have been MUCH easier to explain to the elders!

[Liberal Classic]

I'd recommend you rent or purchase the extended version DVD of the Fellowship before seeing the Two Towers. It makes what was already an excellent first film breathtaking. In particular, the length and detail of the battle scenes and the added scenes describing the characteristics of Hobbits and Elves, make, IMHO, the expanded film much truer to the Tolkien.

I'll second this. The DVD extended version has many small details that had to be left out of the theatrical release for brevity. It adds about 30 minutes to the whole thing sprinkled in and out of every major scene, making the movie just a bit more true to the book.

It also contains two more DVDs that detail the making of the film, which is interesting in its own right. Also Peter Jackson explains why certian scenes were cut from the theatrical release. He says the the first movie was to be Frodo's story, and therefore some scenes which would flesh out some of the other characters were chosen to be removed.

[ksen]

...it was Lewis who converted Tolkien to Christianity.

Not to be nit-picky, but it was the other way around.