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Of all people, I failed to include a third category for third parties: personality.

The 1912 bolt was above all about a certain personality. I think Anderson in 1980 was, too. La Follette's 1924 third party, one of the more successful ever, was also more about personality than the movement he tried to represent. Like the Thurman bolt of 1948, La Follette tried to personally adopt a transition between the two major parties. Thankfully, La Follette's "Progressive-Socialist" party has been as forgotten as -- up until Lott's idiocy -- the Dixiecrats of 1948.

Both disappeared. Too bad Lott reminded us of the latter.

I'm not inclined to hang him for it, and I'm not inclined to reward our enemies for the stupidity of one of our own. He ought be sent off to fight the Indians, like Gen. Burnside, although we ought be careful not to turn him into a Gen. McClellan. That's why I advise a slow dismemberment. Let the outrage follow its course. If we satisfy it too quickly it will go unsatiated. Nothing prompts more attacks than appeasement of them.

I might invite the bouncer's attentions by stumbling over my whiskey and some guy's girlfriend, but my friends would do better to sit down with him than to get thrown out, too. He'll enjoy beating us up too much. If he smacks me once and I'm gone, I'll never get back into the club, and if I try, he can punch me without provocation. My friends could blame it all on me, and he'd be all happy to act on it. Instead, if they defend my person while blaming my idiocy, he'll have to walk me to the door, and let them stay. He'll have no more excuse to beat me up. And my friends can come back another day.
169 posted on 12/15/2002 9:15:46 PM PST by nicollo
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"Instead, if they defend my person while blaming my idiocy, he'll have to walk me to the door, and let them stay."

Well said.
173 posted on 12/16/2002 3:59:00 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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Anderson's campaign must have been personality driven, since it left so few traces, but I can't imagine him being called charismatic or compared to TR anywhere outside of his own mind and the offices of the New Republic. John McCain has a lot in common with John Anderson, though, right down to his first name, white hair and touchy irritability.

I'd say there are four kinds of third party voters: 1) the ideological, 2) the disaffected, who are fed up with both major parties, 3) the distressed, who are responding to hard times or a crisis, and 4) special interest voters, who are usually voting for a sectional interest, but who in other countries vote their religion, or ethnicity or class or occupation.

Those who always want to vote for the most rightward or leftward candidate, the most "conservative" or the most "progressive" alternative fit in category #1. Single issue voters either fall under #1 or #4. Voters swayed by personalities usually fit in category #2. They may not know that they are disillusioned with politics as usual until the right candidate comes along, but afterwards they're sure. Yankee reformist, "good government" or "clean government" types usually belong in category #2. A lot of the support for Eugene McCarthy or John Anderson, Perot or McCain was of this sort, and not really ideological. The distressed voters (#3) showed up during the Populist movement and the Depression. Maybe some George Wallace voters fit in this category as well. We need category #4 to account for the Dixiecrats. Some Populists and "Farmer-Labor" types also fit into these category.

In Mississippi and South Carolina, the Dixiecrats were the local Democratic machine. They broke with Truman over his timid support of civil rights. Otherwise, they would have voted for him (though perhaps they'd oppose other measures of his in Congress). I don't think they had any conception or intention of winning. They just wanted to keep Truman from winning those electoral votes. Opposition to civil rights was always their main focus, though some people will try to gloss this over today.

Outside the South there was virtually no support for Thurmond and Wright. Only crackpots like Murray Rothbard supported the State's Rights Democratic Party. That Rothbard's view has attracted some support is a sign that people today understand the 1940s as little as Rothbard did. The political situation, possibilities, and the available options were very different then. Rothbard's method is usually to exclude what people thought and said at the time and recast the historical situation in terms of his own preoccupations. More on the Dixiecrats.

Counterfactual questions: What if Dewey had won? Would anything have been different? What if the Dixiecrats suceeded in preventing either candidate from winning a majority of the electoral vote and the House of Representatives had to decide the election? What if FDR had lived? Would he have been able to keep his coalition together? And what if Eisenhower had run as a Republican (or as a Democrat)?

180 posted on 12/16/2002 10:37:54 AM PST by x
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