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To: Balto_Boy
Hitler DID directly order his troops to commit atrocities, so I don't need to concede anything.

You do not understand what a direct order is - it amounts to "You, go to this place, do this thing".

Show me where Hitler directly ordered Babi Yar - whether through actually mentioning Babi Yar, or through explicitly ordering the deaths of Russian Jews.

It's not like there's a whole internet denial industry built around the absence of what you are claiming exists, Balto_boy. You're simply playing the part for Milosevic of those who would claim that Hitler was misunderstood and actually meant for the Jews to be shipped off to Madagascar.

Now provide a direct order from Hitler or concede the point - it's not quite as difficult a proposition to understand as you are making it out to be.

63 posted on 12/23/2002 4:29:28 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Ethnic structure of the population of Bosnia and Herzegovina (according to settlements) according to the population census on March 31, 1981 (click on the image for full size)


65 posted on 12/23/2002 4:32:07 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Hoplite
Please note, this represents the Ethnic Structure of the population in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia according to the census in 1981 and thus it reflects also the decimation of the serbian population caused by genocide, as these regions were part of NDH(Independent State od Croatia) from 1941 to 1945. The serbs would have made a far greater majority in those areas, if it was not for the genocide in WWII and the great losses in WWI and not to forget the anti-serb drawing of republic-borders imposed by the communist-croatian dicator Tito.

The issue of self-determination of serbs in these areas wouldn't have caused any opposition from the 'West' after the second World War, but it did cause strong oppostion in the 1990's. Especially from Germany. How come? Do you think the serbs should have asked the Germans in 1945 after WWII, if it's ok for Germany that the majority serbian areas exercise their right to self-determination? Especially considering Germany's role in the balkans during the war, establishment of fascist Greater Croatia, fascist Greater Albania, campaign of genocide against serbs in these areas. People don't forget their history in the balkans.

As Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina claimed the right to self-determination to seperate from Yugoslvia, the serbs of Krajina and Republika Srpska in response claimed their right to self-determination and secession from the newly created statelettes(they were also absolutely entitled not to leave the Yugoslav federation by the way-but this was also denied to them). That right to self-determination was denied to the serbs from the begining on in 1991/92, no negotiations were offered, it was just prohibited by Tudman, Izetbegovic, Genscher... and so the doors for an armed conflict were openend. Not to mention, that the secession of Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina were unconstitutional in the first place and against the declared will of the serbian population, a constituent people, within those republics.

68 posted on 12/23/2002 4:58:28 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Hoplite
Show me where Hitler directly ordered Babi Yar - whether through actually mentioning Babi Yar, or through explicitly ordering the deaths of Russian Jews....Now provide a direct order from Hitler or concede the point...

"Unlike his earlier conquests, Hitler ordered his generals in 1941 to conduct the war against the USSR as one of annihilation rather than capture and coercion."

You won't be getting a concession for Christmas, but enjoy your holiday anyway.

80 posted on 12/24/2002 3:57:33 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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