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To: thepitts
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Well, I don't know. It seems like I've persuaded at least several hard-core gun owners to consider the advantage of Federal registration, if implemented by conservatives in such a way as to expand, rather than contract, gun owners rights, and make it legally and socially more acceptable to own a gun.

But we only need a majority...
35 posted on 12/12/2002 4:32:29 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user
It seems like I've persuaded at least several hard-core gun owners to consider the advantage of Federal registration, if implemented by conservatives in such a way as to expand, rather than contract, gun owners rights, and make it legally and socially more acceptable to own a gun.

Not me. First, understand that a right cannot be taken or created by the government. Rights pre-existed the formation of our nation, and will survive our nation's existence. Government only gets its authority to act from US.

You also have to understand that guns are different from cars. No one ever resisted tyranny with a car, but the number of people who've resisted with guns is legion. And anyone interested in increasing their power at the expense of the people, in any country at any time, knows this. Hence, in order to carry out their plans to control more of your life and mine, they need to reduce your power to resist. Viola, gun control. Ask yourself if the Armenians, Kulaks, Jews, Chinese peasants, Cambodians, Ugandans, Rwandans, etc. (i.e. victims of genocides in the 20th century) wished that they'd have had guns. The answer is undoubtedly yes - but they all found out the consequences of being unarmed too late.

Guns are a great equalizer. Before guns were invented, you had to be strong and well-trained (i.e. YEARS of training) to effectively utilize a sword or longbow - and most people weren't. A few knights on horseback could have effectively destroyed a substantially larger group of peasants, or even farmers armed with pitchforks and the like, and probably did on many occasions. Women certainly weren't, and it is no coincidence that they were oppressed until fairly recently - weakness invites oppression. Anyone of virtually any size and strength can be taught to shoot a gun accurately enough to make a difference in just a few hours. As the saying goes, "God made men, Samuel Colt made them equal."

But we only need a majority...

For what? To deny us our RIGHT to keep and bear arms? To force us to register (and, of course, PAY for the privilege) to exercise a RIGHT? Let me tell you something - I won't do it. To have to register to carry legally is bad enough. History has shown that confiscation inevitably follows registration. And no, not just overseas - RIGHT F'ING HERE! NY City registered long guns in 1966, "to be able to catch more criminals." City officials swore up, down and sideways that those lists would NEVER be used to confiscate guns. Well, even if those particular officials were being honest, the lists existed. And in 1992 Mayor David Dinkins had the police send letters to every one of those people still alive and living in NYC to turn in "assault rifles." The next time it will be "sniper weapons" (also known as deer guns, which are simply scoped, bolt-action rifles), and the next after that the shotguns (because the street gangs saw them off and thus have very deadly concealable weapons). California will do the same with those morons that registered their "assault rifles." England and Australia, 2 very similar countries to our own have already banned most firearms, but this was only possible with registration lists.

You register YOUR guns - I will not. There is NO purpose for the registration of either law-abiding gun owners or their lawfully-acquired property. None, that is, EXCEPT confiscation at some point in the future.

Gun control isn't about guns - it is about control!

Slaves are disarmed, free men are armed.

MOLON LABE!!*

*Uttered by the Spartan King Leonidas I at Thermopolyae in 480 BC to the Persians, in response to the Persian request to drop their weapons in exchange for being allowed to live. It means "come and take them." Leonidas and his 300 Spartans faced more somewhere between 300,000 and 500,000 Persians. In the face of these odds, the Spartan's intense desire to remain free motivated them to kill over 20,000 of the Persians over the next 3 days, many of whom were the "elite" so-called Immortals that formed the personal body guard of the Persian Emporer. In the end, they lost only because they were betrayed by a fellow Greek that loved money more than freedom. Their sacrifice enabled the rest of the Greek city-states to mobilize their armies and defeat the Persians. Had the Greeks lost, Western Civilization would have died in its cradle.

39 posted on 12/13/2002 12:17:27 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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