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POLICE SCAN ALLEGED INTERNET SEX CANNIBAL'S VIDEOS
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| 12/12/02
| David Crossland
Posted on 12/12/2002 9:50:27 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: f.Christian
True story time:
One of my wife's distant cousins (ie somebody she'd never met) was eaten by Dahmer. My mother-in-law did not appreciate our reactions to that news (we thought it was pretty freaking cool, how many people are related to famous meals after all).
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posted on
12/12/2002 3:23:41 PM PST
by
discostu
To: discostu
I think when it escalates to the point of dismemberment for nonnecessary food (things are totally different if they're trapped somewhere and on the brink of starvation) it's clear that at least one person in the relationship is far too nuckingfuts to consider it truly consentual. Part of mutual consent implies being relatively close to all there. Do you conclude that the 'victim' was not all there solely from the fact that he did something really bizarre, painful and stupid by your standards?
Apparently, the victim was an employed computer engineer. So he was together enough to hold a responsible job. Does that change your conclusion?
What if everyone that knew him agreed he was odd, but fully capable of making decisions for himself? Does that change your conclusion?
To: TheSpottedOwl
How was the blood loss and pain handled? The suspect actually thinks people are going to believe that this was consentual? Yikes.... They must have read "The Professor and the Madman." In that book (a true story) the crazy guy...
SPOILER WARNING and GROSS-OUT WARNING
...ties a string tightly around the base. After a while it goes completely numb, then he whacks it off with a razor. No blood. After the scabs formed, he untied the string. (Don't try this at home.)
To: ModelBreaker
My jury is still out on which one was the more out to lunch. Definitely voluntarily having your thingy cut off and eating it is pretty far out there. But wanting to cut somebody's thingy off and feeding it to them (openly) isn't particularly sane either.
A person's ability to hold down a job isn't necessarily a sign of sanity. Especially not in the wild and wooly computer industry (strange folks in this industry, that's why I enjoy it).
Remember there's a few things said about almost every serial killer (after they finally get caught): he was so quiet, never caused any trouble, a great neighbor. Then they go digging around in the basement and find out why there haven't been any stray animals in the neighborhood since he moved in. Many SERIOUSLY F'd up people do a very good job of appearing quite normal. Ted Bundy was apparently a really cool guy 95% of the time, worked at a rape crisis hotline, nice caring softspoke man, problem is he had this need to rape and murder women (IMHO that's one of the reasons he got involved with the hotline, kind of a substitute to get him through the day). In a situation like this what's important isn't how they were most of the time, the teller is that on video they voluntarily participated in mutilation and cannibalism. Obvious nut jobs.
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posted on
12/12/2002 3:40:53 PM PST
by
discostu
To: discostu
Jeffrey Dahmer was a teenage devil worshipper...people think it's harmless---fun!
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This article makes me sick to my stomach.
To: discostu
I don't appreciate your reactions either. It is sick.
To: discostu
Obvious nut jobs.We agree on that. But the rest of your post really cuts against the argument that these guys were unable to make a choice.
By pointing to Ted Bundy, you really make my point. Bundy was smart, together, personable and clearly in control of his life and able to make choices and to understand them. It's just that the choices he made were very very evil.
The victim here looks somewhat like a masochist's version of Ted Bundy. Employed, responds to an ad appropriately (ie he got what the ad promised) and participated voluntarily in the slaughter and the rest of that sick stuff voluntarily. My take on this is that the guy was able to make and understand his choices, its just that, like Bundy, his choices were also evil.
We give Bundy a trial and an execution precisely because he understands his choices. Of course, Bundy's choices did not involve choice by his victims.
That's what makes this article interesting. There was clearly no coercion and the victim seems perfectly capable of making choices and understanding them.
It seems to me that Libertarians ought to be giving the victim here the right to make his own choices, no matter how weird, as long as they don't hurt someone else.
After all, the perp here looks like he is just helping the victim in an assisted suicide--a really weird one, but an assisted suicide nevertheless. In that case, why should Libertarians put the perp in jail?
To: TheSpottedOwl
consentual=consensual. Damn still looks wrong :(
I wood bee gladd to donait mony for a fun raser for a spill cheker for FR
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posted on
12/12/2002 4:27:28 PM PST
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WKB
To: r9etb
As far as I can tell this was weird sex between two consenting adults. Therefore the libertarians would give it their stamp of approval. Whether flambéed or fried has no bearing.
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12/12/2002 4:33:14 PM PST
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dennisw
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posted on
12/12/2002 5:59:09 PM PST
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scripter
To: ItisaReligionofPeace
It's not like we ever met the guy, if he'd have died any other way we wouldn't even have heard about it. He was just some random anonymous person, except he got eaten by Dahmer and was vague related to me. I take what little fame I can get.
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posted on
12/12/2002 6:04:17 PM PST
by
discostu
To: ModelBreaker
I never said the were unable to make a choice, I said that because they were freaking lunatics their "choice" doesn't matter.
I don't think you're question was as innocent as you proclaimed. Starting to look like you were errecting a strawman to trash on libertarianism with. Choice or not the guys were freaking nuts, the survivor should go to jail, and no libertarian would say otherwise. Only people that have an unreasoning bigotry against libertarianism would think they'd want the freak to go free.
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posted on
12/12/2002 6:08:40 PM PST
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discostu
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Get real. The guy would have been prosecuted and punished just like anyone else who committed a heinous crime such as this, even under a Libertarian administration.Horse hockey. A killing and cannibalism would be fine according to libertarian principles if the actors were consenting adults.
To: dennisw
As far as I can tell this was weird sex between two consenting adults. Therefore the libertarians would give it their stamp of approval. Whether flambéed or fried has no bearing.Exactly. How do they put it at Liberty Forum? "Ain't nobody's business if you do."
To: ModelBreaker
Taking unfair advantage of a mental illness could be considered 'fraud in the inducement'. Willingly agreeing to die so that someone can satisfy some prurient desire is clearly evidence of mental incapacity, on its face. This does not fall within the boundaries of "consenting adults". It would be closer to someone claiming consent to abuse of a minor or a mentally retarded person. No such consent can be granted.
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posted on
12/12/2002 6:33:53 PM PST
by
Ramius
To: Kevin Curry
Horse Hockey back atcha. Agreement to self-destruction is evidence of incapacity to consent.
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posted on
12/12/2002 6:36:16 PM PST
by
Ramius
To: far sider
I think I'm gonna throw up.
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posted on
12/12/2002 6:39:30 PM PST
by
AM2000
To: discostu
I don't care if he was some anonymous person or not. I don't understand how you could laugh about someone being murdered and cannibalized.
To: wideawake
Yep. We Americans just aren't sophisticated or cultured enough to understand this. We would want to execute this guy. But since this took place on the tolerant Kontinent, he will probably be named to the Hannibal Lechter Chair at the Berlin School of Cannibalistic Sexual Performance Art.
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